Listen: Bob Woodward, Donald Trump, Paul Manafort discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"And I'm sure that part of what is going on, and there was some reporting of this is Muller is even if he doesn't cooperate. Mueller's gonna want Manafort to admit to certain things that have been heavily disputed by the president. I think Jason Johnson of palmetto for does that of Paul Manafort decides that the truth is that he. Is guilty and he gets up and admits that he's guilty. He will no longer be considered a brave man by this president of the United States. No, he will be considered a very dangerous man by this resin United States because what does Paul Manafort have to offer brilliant insight. Some suggestions for suits maybe some information about Ukrainians. No, he primarily has information to offer about this presidency about this campaign about communications about finances. That's the only thing that Paul Manafort can really come to the table and offer this investigation. So it becomes a very dangerous man for this administration. I think it's important to note that the fact that he's considering these negotiations means either doesn't believe that presidential pardon is coming or doesn't believe they presidential pardon can cover him from all the crimes. He is potentially guilty of. And that's the other layer to this that sends a message to everybody else out there. Maybe pardons won't be enough and working with Miller might be your safer option. Maybe there are so many stunning things in Bob Woodward's book, but one of them. Is John Dobbs obvious cooperation with Bob Woodward on this book which seems to be violation of the attorney client privilege? Well, it's a violation if he's revealing, yes, conversations that he had directly with Trump which it seems like he is he had, although some of it is you say is also his internal dialogue that things he wished he had said to trumpet, I think that seems to be, but he's in there in with phone calls to his client telling Bob Woodward the words in quotation marks that were set on phone conversations. There's no question. He should not be doing that. It's a, it's a violation of the attorney client privilege and a number of ethical rules. I don't know if he just doesn't care or it seems like what Dowd wants to do is sort of get his story out there about why it is that he left the team. It wasn't because. You know, as you said he thinks he's guilty of collusion, but because he thinks Trump can't tell the truth. And I think the important thing about that statement which is which plays such a big part in doubts book. Sorry, Woodward's book is that you no doubt knows that Trump could go in there and lie about the weather. He could lie about things that don't matter. And that's not going to get prosecuted for perjury because it's not a material xactly. It needs to be material and so down by saying that by saying you're going to end up in an orange jumpsuit or some version of that, he's really saying that he thinks Trump's gonna lie about things that would have a real impact on the investigation. And what that tells me that he thinks Trump knows things that would have an effect on the investigation. So this whole claim of Trump's knows nothing about collusion. No conversations with Russians that just doesn't ring true with what doubt is saying here about the back story squeeze in a break here. Mimi Roker, Jason Johnson. We're gonna come back. Thank you both for joining us coming up the president who can never find fault with Ladimir Putin. Now faces a new test. We have an NBC news exclusive report tonight that Russia may have been behind an attack against US diplomats in Cuba.."