Listen: Cardinals, Long Island, Mets discussed on The Tim McKernan Show
"Here. He is the former card nor lever John Costello John. Thanks so much for coming in to the the magic that is this podcast APP through now you pause there. I felt pal. I felt like that was like kind of like you know what. Why am I here. You're thinking yourself. Why am I here. Why why did I agree to do this or you said the word magic as trying to figure out how you come up with that was very self-indulgent adding up some way <hes> I ah I knew he was a kid growing up watching the cardinals play but I became a bigger fan when I participated in the fantasy camp this past year and I I felt like you you put on a clinic not necessarily man managing. Although you did lead your team to the championship I should. I should note that in advance I did. Is that your first championship. Yes as a matter of fact lost the last three years in a row before this year in the championship game yes so I called up marv Levy and asked him. How can I prevent from losing four championships in a row and <hes> he gave me some advice. I can't share it. Anybody burden on a sheriff that ended up you guys got it done but it was the morning meetings and for those not familiar with this before every day we take the field each manager will come up there and kind of give a state of the union so to speak we kind a evaluate the players <hes> activities from the day before and constructive criticism and that's about all. I can elaborate right. That's right. I was told I could video anything but I was told the morning meeting is the sacred cow and there is an Omerta regarding what goes on in the morning meeting does not go outside the room. Yes means yes but that's where your star me. I can hook them up with your multiple phones. God <hes> so but but that's what I was like. I said I said if you <hes> the cardinal one. I said John Castello instant offense. You have the The New York dialect sorta reminded me of Jeffrey Ross the roast master general on Roast. That's what you reminded me of when you were standing up there talking talking and observing some of the maybe weaknesses of some of the members of your astor little Dennis Leary at Little Bill Burr Nice that's even better I think bill burr bill burs my favorite comedian so is okay so then that makes sense because there's kind of that pacing and then you grew up in the Bronx Bronx New York and <hes> falls New York City firemen. He moved us out to Long Island <hes> about the age of eight so I assume Yankees Fan believe or not mets fan. Will you just like a contrarian. Just just I start my father grew up five blocks from Yankee Stadium and for some reason became a dodgers fan I think he'd like the underdog so he started rooting for the dodgers as a kid in the forties forties and fifties and <hes> when the dodgers and the giants left for <hes>. The coast back in the late fifties <hes> he became met famine. It came into existence and believe it or not the mets colors are the burnt orange from the <hes> giants and the that's a mets callers glad fan because of that. I didn't know the history of it so you learn something now. This has become an educational podcast vocabulary and I'll teach you the team's uniforms and their colors so you're growing up and you're playing ball in New York but moved to long island long around and <hes> it was fortunate that my next door neighbor was the head of the literally in Oceanside Long Island so I ended up joining little league since I got there. The rest is history but I always curious when I talked to guys who play sports professionally like what level you're at when you were a kit. Were you like in another world and it was really clear that you were something or were you somebody who didn't really get it going until like your junior high school. I think God blessed me with a good right arm and the rest I had to work at. I didn't get blessed with a ninety five mile an hour fastball so I had to work at it and <hes> <hes> just make the most of what you have. It's like anything out air products. They don't work the same the same barber but I've wavy hair just kept waving goodbye but yeah you just whatever ability you have. You know it doesn't take any talent to hustle so I always tried out hustle people and out. No I guess not the Pete Rose Hustle but you know just try harder and the coaches took notice of that over time now you just develop your own style and take it to the next level so you're probably also not just a really good pitcher. You're probably a really good position player that that usually goes hand in hand as a pretty good shortstop <hes> not much of a hitter and <hes> I mean hit three twenty in college but I think it to fifty five and <unk> highschool. Usually you go down when you go up but then I've got the big leagues and bad. I mean let me see if I can for twelve aww I think is zero point zero zero you didn't. They don't even have the hitting staff here we go we do. They never stopped the game for that. I hidden over seven punch outs. I don't have to look it up. You know it. I know seven of actually they have. You listed with nine strikeouts. I don't then you might want to call my friends on three and eighty eight five in eighty nine and then somebody got you all these years of therapy and is just starting to get over it and I I used Omerta and the strike outs that so you're playing in high school. Were you like one of the best pitchers in the New York area that <hes> I'm not in the New York area. Maybe in my high school in the Big Leagues. I was always that guy that I I was good but I he's never that like blue chip right. So were you playing with guys playing against guys. Black guys sick yeah. I played against vile and high school. Oh wow school cool. He's good. He's actually a hell of a hill hitter back then too so he's he's a stud. John Mars remember that name but yeah it was on the car he's on the cardinals yes and he he played for men from high school which is also school out in. Long Island so listen good ballplayers on Long Island. Could you tell with those guys that they had something that the rest of the roster didn't have. I always thought John Morris was gonNA make it and I also thought Frank Villa GonNa make it so that I think he's going to be a pitcher position. You know what John Morris. I thought it was gonNA make it as a pitcher. That's pitchy was back then but he made as a position player and is now filler and <hes> Frank Viola obviously made it as a pitcher yeah but he could hit cy young award winner shut the cardinals down in <hes> in the eighty seven world series so as things progress you go to college where to go to college. I went to college at Mercy Hearst College in Erie Pennsylvania and you're playing ball there. Yes shortstop in in the snow in snow. Excuse me the College World Series Team Teams. Come for Mercy Hurst area. Don't see that too often. Although now they have a heck of a program do they put it on the map and now they're taking it from that you put it on the map and now that you've won a championship happy chip fantasy camp. I would have to think they might be interested in bringing you on to well you know they try to bring me back. In a few major league teams contacted me to manage you might go right <hes> yeah but I've turned them down and I'm going to stay with Bug Dynasty Down Yup Dynasty that comes from timberline fisheries as a plug homeless. Amos plug for Todd Goodman <hes> Todd Goodman owns timberline fisheries and we've been together eight or nine years now and we weren't so good the first several years but let some great drafts. We've we've done some good drafting and recruiting and maybe bribing a few players can play but now over the over the years we've accumulated did a pretty good group of guys and <hes> actually great group of guys and Pretty Good Group of ballplayers. I had no idea how fun that thing was going to be really the morning meetings probably like the highlight that's the best part art but just hanging out with people and how great the Cardinal Alumni to hang out with the campers the thing that stood out to me from a baseball standpoint that was super eye opening opening like Ryan Franklin was on my team in Ryan Franklin would have gotten at bat in a major league game he probably would have either been told by Larussa Fini don't swing and then if he he did swing it probably would have been three pitches and that would wrap it up and it would look a little embarrassing and then Ryan Franklin is on our team and he is raking a- and it just like Dave Veres God bless him. Oh we are facing campers. I know guys who in our minds is. Fans are like well they can't Edworthy crap and then they go out to the big league level. You're you're correct. I mean my my hitting prowess as example that nine shots in twelve at bats and all these years. I thought it was but anyway we all get hit in high school. In College. I never was much of a hitter stated earlier but I could always throw and I could feel but we we were all good athletes back. When we were younger. No the Major League pitchers you see now struggling at the plate where studs in high school and college but then you don't so you don't hit in the Minor Leagues H. and I'll explain the whole minor league system basically there's prospects and then there's suspects and I was as a suspect or as I would also be known as a roster filler trying to help the prospects get to the big leagues. That's how the minor league system really works out really works but if you put up enough numbers and keep doing well and busting your tail over time somebody will take notice and if you get that break you can actually make it to the big leagues and do something and you did <hes> you did in eight with the cardinals now as far as drafting goes to the cardinals drafty. Were you drafted by somebody. At the by the Saint Louis Cardinals and nineteen eighty eighty three all right they had just won the world series and eighty two so I figured they wanted to repeat set drafted made."