Officer, Sheriff Paul Penzone, Glendale discussed on Mac and Gaydos
Did not represent the law enforcement that I know in the state of Arizona. It was. Of course, you don't like to make a statement on a videotape of but what I saw was completely unacceptable. So right there. He is telling you what he thinks of the actual incident. Yeah. But he goes further. Here's the governor. And it seems to me that the investigation was whitewashed. I'd love to see the county attorney's office reopened the investigation a get to the bottom of what happened there and hold people accountable. Thank you. All right. Wow. That's pretty strong. I mean, you're saying that an official as well as the Glendale PD whitewash this and he wants action. I mean, what you're hearing from the governor is he didn't like what he saw on the video, and he didn't like that the county attorney's office see saw this video few years ago and didn't do anything. Right. So he wants it reopened. And I think the reason you say you're a little surprised that he that he came out and spoke about this. I not there is a there is really a public outcry for this. Well, so far, we haven't found anybody in law enforcement that has not said the officer at every right to taste the man eleven looting in the groin except the Glendale police department right said ten of the eleven where warranted. They even said the one to the testicle which they say wasn't to the testicle was warranted. Like the one in the middle. They say so so yesterday, we spoke to Maricopa County sheriff Paul Penzone. And we picked his brain about this and said, did you see the video he saw the video? And and we're like, okay as a law enforcement guy. What do you make of this video? Here's what he told us. I'm going to answer with all due respect to the chief and Glendale. He's got a tough job like myself in normally I try to leave organizations issues in circumstances to themselves I'll be respectful to that. Now. So to say that someone should be taste eleven times or not we shouldn't be measuring on the number of days, as we we should be looking at and saying those circumstances, what is appropriate force. And if that is inappropriate force is inappropriate force that just want a little bit too, far or was it? So agreed that it requires a more significant response by the agency. So in cases, such as these I think any common citizen without training. And look at it and have considerable concern as to why how with the application wasn't wasn't necessary. And I don't think you need a share for anybody else to tell you that in those circumstances. And there will be times in my agency. No different that deputies use force that is well beyond that, which we believe is appropriate or necessary. And then how do we take action on it? How do we address it? How do we make sure doesn't happen again in this circumstance like many in my agency that have occurred or will occur don't reflect what good law enforcement should look like we had a police officer on yesterday. And well, he said is if you don't comply one of the bad cops because there's bad people in every business. No matter what it is. If you don't comply the guy really wasn't trying to comply very very well. If you don't do that one of the cops whose not one of the good ones is going to do something like that. I believe that. It's not just bad coughs. Okay. There are good cops and good deputies who have had great reputations before ever reason as humans in certain circumstances. Fail. Okay. Their actions fail the standard of law enforcement. So I think they're just automatically predetermined by saying well that person, you know, you give cop an opportunity to do something. That was inappropriate now there are times when when people great track records have done exceptional work. Make. Or or just, you know, forever reason in that circumstance their eagle the pride the things that you don't know about them personally that occurred early in the day during the week or whatever and they're off the rails are job, no different than how we treat the community. So there are bad people in the community to do bad things. They're good people in the community that make bad decisions or do bad things. We should always respond to the action in judged on that so in a case like this the officers have to respond to that person's action and be appropriate. And if they are inappropriate than we do the same with the officers of the deputies, we look at your action, we say not acceptable. What is the appropriate response by the organization to either address it or to ensure that you mitigate it doesn't happen again? So when you saw that video didn't that make you mad? You guys are gonna you're not gonna you know, when I tell you this. I only saw pieces of and actually watch it through because I have videos on my own organization to worry about. But some of my staff kind of told me about it and actually a close friend who's a community member told me about it last week, and it's disappointing from the aspect that anytime somebody in uniform does something that. Gives the community impression that we're excessive or abusive or that we're not to be trusted with these tools and resources that we have it hurts all of us. And that's not okay. It's not it's not good for any of us or with the Maricopa County. Sheriff Paul Penzone for his monthly exclusive. It makes everybody look bad. What surprised me in the video? And and you saw bits and pieces which surprised me at that that I don't remember at any point another officer saying okay enough. Okay. I didn't see any other officer say, hey, hold up. Let's try something different. I mean, I know you're not going to say that in the middle of a scuffle. But I didn't see any other officer have a problem with that. You know, you were Phoenix PD for a number of years. You're now sheriff was there ever a time you had to pull a fellow officer back or or maybe intercede and say look this isn't working right now or not cool. Let's do something different. Or is it that mob mentality of we gotta get this guy to comply. No matter what we're all. In. In this together. Well, I'm sure to some extent there is kind of energy that bleeds to others. But I think that it's the more realistic expectation because of human nature, okay? Doesn't mean it's the best way of the right way. But because of human nature, the more realistic things that I have seen is you'll see another officer intercede. In other words, they're not necessarily pulling you back. But they know that what is what is occurring is maybe borderline or to excessive. So they're going to do they're going to take the lead to diminish your ability to actually behave in that way. It's something that we want to see more of which is, you know, leadership in those moments by everybody's saying, hey, oh tap, the breaks that's not appropriate, but human nature is human nature, and we have to work in correct? I I will tell you that in my office not easy decisions. But I've been supervisors that I have demoted because I felt like on a scene they fail to take the lead and take charge. And I try my best to make the right decision. Every circumstance as chief many others. Do it's a it's a dynamic evolving world, and there are no excuses and looking back after an event and trying to to to clean it up and get it, right? Is not always easy. So it's just you know, I wish I had the right words. I wish I could say something that. Absol better understand is put into words because we're trying to promote yourselves, and and I want to be supportive of of my colleague at agency and the men and women who do it the right way in a circumstance like the that individual whatever the circumstances were that chief deals with these. Yes, let's make sure everybody understands we're not against Glendale PD or any law enforcement agency. But and we've talked about this with the Mesa PD the videos that came out almost in succession, it's uncomfortable to watch. But you guys, you know, law enforcement they're doing a job not many of us could do. But is there are always a better way to do the job. That's what we're trying. Now is I don't know why. And I don't know if it's just like, you know, as you get older, you you sound like your parents like that when I was a kid, we didn't, you know, as a younger officer. We didn't have teasers and a lot of tools that are available today. And I do see a more. Aggressive deployment of some of those tools or resources, and then I recall back in the days when I was in the street. You know, we did a lot of hands on doesn't mean we're great at it. But it was a lot more physicality than it was using some of these tools, and because the tools are so readily accessible and seem to mitigate threats immediately that I do think we're premature in choosing them, and we're premature and using them, and we're premature abusing them. So you know, that's something that we collectively have to look at law enforcement, and that's Maricopa County. Sheriff Paul Penzone from yesterday our conversation during his monthly exclusive interview. It's pretty interesting stuff from Penzone. I mean, you could tell that, obviously, he thought what went down wasn't a good thing. It hurts law enforcement. But also the the governor coming out now, the the MCAA oh the attorney's office needs to reopen. This case that put pressure on them. We'll see we'll wait and see what happens if they come back and say nothing to see here again. I wonder what what happens then I think a lot of people like to see the officer fired. I'm not there yet. Even though I don't like what he did. I wanna see this case reopened in the let's go through it. And then maybe we could go down that road. But it is a troubling situation. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. All right. Coming up next. Everyone is saying the economy is great. So why are Americans having serious money problems? We'll tell you next. Drive home, informed and entertained with MAC and Gaydos, KTAR news ninety two three FM. The.