Kendrick, Drake, Kanye discussed on Popcast
You know, I mean, I like Kodak. I mean, a codex a really impressive rapper. Well, I also think there's a weird thing his sort of taken hold in the past couple of years of looking through credits. And I feel like it happened with Drake's element, it's happened a few times where someone would find like an R. Kelly credit or a insert problematic musician. And I feel like it's a very weird and odd thing to kind of normalize. And I feel like Kodak by clearly has a career. He clearly has an audience and it's not going to be, I don't know, just inhibit in and of itself being on the record doesn't seem like a grievous thing. And it also kind of like the sensibility I got was like being in the church pews and like the bad kid is like on the pulpit like doing a performance and you know all the stuff they did but like now they're a church. It didn't feel like it was like promoting Kodak black and it's probably things he's done specifically because the record makes a point to talk about treating black women better. He says this stuff repeatedly is drilling this foam and he's got this guy who just last year pleaded to a crazy case. And I don't know if maybe that's just kind of like a performance of imperfection or whatever like a delivery artistic decision to be like while I want to push this message I also have to consider people who are not all the way along in their journey on this. I mean, he does have the Jesus crown on. Yes. It's ironic, but also is it? He's leading by example. It's like the, it's like the Julius Caesar refusing the crowd kind of thing. Everybody knows what you mean to people and regardless of what title you want to put on it. It's always going to be what it is. I think that he's trying to redirect something that there's no control over people who are always going to look up to him. Even in this prickly and I would say often confrontational record, it's being lifted up by a lot of people, it's just one of the greatest things that's happened this year. So really what damage was done to that people look up to him and hang on every word, sort of situation, you know? We're talking about Jesus, which brings me to the last topic. That I really want to talk about. Did not make an appearance on this album, so that's how you know it was in a classic. Okay. The ones that he appears on are the classics and the Jesus was too busy on the NF record to show up in the Kendrick record. Okay, okay. So here's the question that I have for each of you. No, because some of this stuff could be lecrae, like a couple of times. Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Like you told me that there was like maverick city music like studio musicians, like in the background, I would not be surprised also. You know? It may take some respect on kids cave. He's a better rapper than a crank. No, listen, lecrae is a talented individual who puts a lot of effort into those records. It is just that there is sometimes when the subject, like that, I'm not going to push it, it's a half dog. Then it's okay. I believe that we all can believe in all acknowledge that we can not the didacticism of some of this stuff and just not at it. And then keep walking by. And we're going to compare the principal. He's going to hold the cradle so. Yes. Totally fair. But is he going to hold Kanye? Now, this is the question I have. And I'm hoping we'll all have different answers to it, but we'll see. Where in the Kanye arc is Kendrick right now? Wow. I feel like he's further along than Kanye's. Like, you think you've post donned a two? Yes. This is a better DOM to two. This is the fatherhood fears and trying to throw the audience record, which is what yeezus wants for Kanye. Okay, so you're saying postdoc to two Jeff, you're saying yeezus, Craig. What do you think? The verses are finished. Their songs on this one, they're inspired songs on this one. I kind of don't agree with the question. I feel like they should be like, where is he at in the Drake arc? Oh. I feel like his beef with Drake honestly messes up. If Kendrick and Drake would have stayed cool. No. No. What universe or Kendrick and Drake? What are they arguing? No, I know but literally what contender could just. This is the thing. Kanye and Drake have things to argue about Kendrick and Kanye have things to argue about. I struggle to know what Kendrick and Drake truly have done. And it was like this subtle thing that I'm sure they're probably Friends. You have professional frost with people who are good at what they do and also so were you and you just don't like each other. I have a lot. There's a lot of people like that. That's normal. Yeah. But is it real? But like, I don't know, man, these are adults. Like, I'm an adult, like I let that go ten, 15 years ago. Everybody has that one person, they just simply would never talk to in their industry, and that's just what that is. Also, like, just everyone wants to claim the greatest and there can't be two at the same time. The catalysts don't match up though like Drake is like a micro inside my head record kind of guy and Kendrick is everything outside of my brain. Yeah. And even on the therapy record, even we could go through the catalog like, okay, Kendrick do have some joints, like he has radio hits. It's on this record counts contrary to the critical thrust saying otherwise this stuff that wants to be seen among the other rappers that are out right now, I think. Okay, can I propose something? What if this is 8 O 8s? Damn is graduation. The kind of like big ambitious, like I'm here, I'm present. I can make records of this scale that are going to cross over and touch everybody. And this is what happens when your life falls apart and you realize that when you thought you were at the top, you actually have collapsed fully, and there's nothing underneath you, except the mountain that you climb, that got kicked out from under you. To me, that's how this scans, and then that makes me want to do this. Is he really had a cataclysmic thing? Well, based on the snippets of information. You know, it's like, he got found out, we don't know the extent of it. We don't know the cost. We don't know. Also, there's like a heel loots to sex addiction kind of. And I thought that was important. Yeah. Well, the paper record. Mostly talked about texting in my feel like. First of all, it's the podcast of record and the rules are different. But that makes me wonder, is there on the back end of this a fantasy, like a kind of like fully formed like, okay, I shook off this whatever, now I'm gonna come back with a fully orchestrated Magnum Opus that, yes, I put together this kind of piecemeal half emotional record with some strange and potentially unacceptable bars, but I'm gonna come back with like the full LA symphony orchestra Pink Floyd the wall massive record after this. I go back and forth between not knowing what to expect and feeling like this was really settling a lot of things that the next one is going to go on a crazy direction. But that could be just the stuff that you tell yourself when somebody has made the record that isn't necessarily the one that you want. Yeah. Hit the highs, then I needed it to as often as I've expected to from that artist. And maybe feeling like, oh, he's going to go crazy the next time is copium, maybe he really is trying to push things around and change up the art. Can I ask just like a meta criticism question? Because it's something that was really on my mind as I was writing the review. Because we'll do critic picks sometimes for really impressive records. And I was like, I don't think I'm going to give this a critics big, but I was like, I'm so used to and Steven, your review is the first pitcher to review of a Kendrick record since section 80. That was not best new music. I was sort of wondering like, am I going to be out on a limb here being like, this is an imperfect Kendrick record. But it turns out that everybody felt that way, or almost everybody seemed to feel that way. Was it, was it at all strange to watch that happen in kind of real time? Because I feel like critical discourse sometimes can be blunted and dull, especially about stars of a certain caliber with a certain expectation. And I was like wondering kind of like looking at other people's papers a little bit like, okay, is anybody going to also say this? Or am I going to be floating down here alone? And then it turned out we all kind of could have just, you know, more or less filed one review because we all mostly thought similar things. I mean, I don't have any heroes. That's right. That's right. I'd say it louder. Say it with your chest. Say it with your chest. I listened to the music that I respond to the music. You know, I did have high expectations, but they expectations didn't make the music. I wasn't in the studio. This is just like be hoping it's good. If it's mid, it's mid, you know? Yeah, like I didn't come in thinking I wanted anything, but I was like, yo, what if we could hear Kendrick talk about XYZ? And he wanted to talk about fast and angry tweets. Sometimes, you know, you have to go through that stuff. And there's a lot of people who are in their hard headed area who were in there on rejecting the thing that everybody wants me to do era and we're getting a lot of head ass records because people are pushing back at. They're the public perception of themselves in ways that shouldn't matter to them. I get it, but come on. It's been 5 years now. Let's get past this. It's not just happening inside the confines of the Kentucky record and I feel like that we're talking about cancel culture and all that stuff and like deliberate transgression stuff inside the Kendrick record and music, this area is so tainted with that mindset that it's even got into like that. I don't know where do people stop worrying about whoever is not trying to hear what they say. In pitch the whole record pitched the whole show pitched the whole special, whatever the thing that you're making is to the people who want to hear it, you know? It does make me wonder that energy that, oh, they're not ready for this conversation or I try to have this conversation and they don't want it. Is that kind of like a proxy discourse for, hey, I tried something and for the first time, it's kind of not hitting. So it couldn't possibly be not hitting because it's bad or because it's unappealing. It must be not hitting because of what I'm talking about, and because they don't want me to talk about it. Sometimes when you hear Kendrick or like Dave Chappelle or whatever, like griping about someone like this, like sometimes I'm just like maybe the material's not hitting. It doesn't have to do with these other kind of like big picture thematic cancel ideas. Maybe it's isolating in their branches in their mansions in their beaches and listening to the people who are telling them they agree with them and yeah, they're just everyone is everyone's head is just so far up their own they're like, it's really exquisite to watch every single person go through this. Every famous rapper from a surgeon. It's Elon Musk telling people he's going to vote Republican now. It's just like it's everywhere and it's like annoying and like I'm very tired of just that whole thread. You can't even call it a thread. It's the whole rope to what you're talking about, John, with a lot of the records that have come out at least in the past two years. I think we're really getting a sense of who these people are in the context of not having a world around them to just adore them or whatever. So we were all listening to celebrities in the pandemic, where it's like, you know what? Why can't I say what I want? Why can't I say it? It's like these guys are actually just like rich jerks. But wait, wait, wait, wait, but there's been some slappers that have come out during the pandemic from the same rich jerk slappers, rich jerks. No, that's my new Spotify. If I catch my constantly updated Spotify playlist. This whole Kendrick record was like, how funny would it be if he just got yeet on one track? The raft that has blown up most recently, I feel like is so much closer to where people are. And I think you're hearing a lot of these kind of former stars of the genre start to feel a bit threatened. It's like, does Kendrick have a lot? At this point. But here's the thing, that is true and that's been, I'd say that's been happening since 2010, but the Earl sweatshirt album also very insular, but really interesting, from really this year's sick. That's also in a very heady space in this space of the Vince record. It's possible to be inside your head and also make records, like people are doing it. Oh, for sure. I think those are two good examples of people who aren't going to be Drake or Kanye. Right, but also vintage someone, Vince is someone who also has a less imposed upon moral presentation than Kendra. He's Vince has more latitude. I always feel to navigate. Then Kendrick seems to have. Oh, yeah, sure. But he came ready to wrap though. I feel like I at least respect that. Well, guys, again, it's a joy to talk Kendrick with three people who will never lose touch. Steven, Jeff Craig. Steven are they cussing you for the pitchfork review? Yeah, I have my mucin filters very established. I caught three days of smoke for pimple butterfly. So like, just know that it'll always happen, it's not necessarily just about you. They hate whoever is in the seat. I appreciate that. I mean, can confirm. That's our show. Listen to every podcast ever at MI times dot com slash podcast email me a podcast NY times dot com, get in the Facebook group, get in the Discord, subscribe to podcasts anywhere you get your audio content, Apple, Google, stitcher, Spotify, et cetera, our producers, pager rosato, from head separate media, we will be back next week. Let's go out with some Kendrick incantations on mirror. You won't grow waiting on me. I can't live in the matrix talking for a short on your graces. This time I won't trade places but not about trouble's wrong.