Listen: President Trump, Senate, Nancy Pelosi discussed on NBC Meet the Press
"Here former Republican Congressman Carlos Cabello Florida former Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter. NBC News Correspondent. Kristen Welker and Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Washington Post and moderator of Washington Week on PBS. Well we got a little bit of a preview preview of the House and the Senate defense just now the Democrats running into a brick wall. Okay that was it it is what it is. It seems as if the question is what what does that really GonNa look like on the other side. That's the question and there seems to right. Now be a push to rush this to the Senate Democrats are signaling. They want to be finished with the articles of impeachment by the time. They take their next recess. I spoke to sources over the weekend. WHO said the Senate wants to have this wrapped up within two weeks? What's interesting is I also talked to some Democrats who say they think? Nancy Pelosi should hold the articles articles of impeachment. Not Send them to the Senate. Until the witnesses come and testify assembled amy depriving the Senate the right to hold a trial trial the right to acquit the president. Park Warfare. Look I have been skeptical. We'd ever see a trial some form or another because no one's quite sure how this works out there will likely via try. I've been hanging out at the Senate all week and Senate. Republicans are preparing. That's McConnell has blocked off everything in January. The question now is what are the twenty twenty. Republicans Republicans who are up for reelection. Do Senator Collins Senator Gardner. They're going to have to pressure majority leader McConnell or not in terms of rules and how this plays out so far most of the discussions Sion's about a five to six week trial but Senator Rand Paul and others have told me that if this trial is moving in a direction away from the president if they don't like the way it's unfolding they may call. The dismissed missed the trial and hold a vote in. That could be the test for McConnell. Stephanie I WANNA ask you a more blatant campaign strategy question about this. I want to show you this graphic. These are just ads ads about impeachment just this week here. The number of ads that Republican affiliated groups of aired four thousand two hundred thirty five and the number of ads at Democratic affiliated groups have aired on I'm making the case for impeachment. One I know that the Democrats didn't WANNA look like they're politicizing this the we're at this public opinion paralysis this arguably because this hasn't been organic Republicans have done a paid media campaign and it's at least work to get it to where we are. I'm not sure chuck that those ads odds have split the country. This country's been split for a long time on impeachment. There is a slight majority that do believe that at least impeachment proceedings should proceed and many who believe that he should be removed from office a lot of those ads when you dig down into it. Our acquisition ads people trying to build their own lists and things like that and I think the differences Democrats are running ads but the running ads on things like getting prescription drugs done or reforming the healthcare system. Isn't that part of the problem. Look this is a giant effort. That's going on. You're trying to say the narrative the the one line of no because there's actually ah you've seen this with Speaker Pelosi this week and the week before this is a somber serious moment. This is about the impeachment of the president of the United States because because the president of the United States from the evidence that we've seen in the hearings thus far and we'll see what comes out in the articles this week actively Lee solicited foreign interference to secure his own election. And it wasn't the first time that he did it. And it's about a check on that abuse of power breaking the public. Trust that serious. That's not something you put on facebook ads to build your own political list. That's something that you want to be. A very strict process through and Democrats will get credit for that. There is time to build a public ace and also it's not GonNa take much convincing that the president is guilty of this. Let's face it. It's one hundred year old district. Well Chuck I think Nancy Pelosi has one more chance to go off script. We know what the script looks like. Here R- Democrats impeach in the House. Republicans refuse to convict in the Senate. The divisions in in the country are hardened and the next election probably becomes enlarge part about impeachment or Nancy. Pelosi can bring this to the brink and say you know what we're we're so close to the election that we're going to trust the American people to make this decision. What about this third idea? Whatever it is thirty over here something different something? That's unexpected expected something that rather than making a point can make a difference in the country can scrambler politics a message. The American people. That may be a lot of you. Don't trust the government. We're actually going to trust you to try to help. Fix this republic. I think our nation is due for that kind of moment. It's tough I'm curious. What Kristen's reporting this third option of Waigel? How real is that in your mind? Well I think that there is concerned that if they moved to the Senate to quickly and McConnell doesn't let new evidence be considered considered because there is a real chance that new evidence will come out. There's active investigation. The course GonNa rule on mcgann that eleven impact on Bolton there could be some Administration witnesses that will be compelled to testify. That's all on the table. If McConnell sets rules that doesn't allow new evidence be considered then. There's another wildcard Rudy Giuliani. I mean he is blatantly thumbing his nose at the Justice Department. Sdn Y he's he's got associates under indictment. He may or may not be under directed at a target of instigation. What is he doing? He's been over in Ukraine and sending the signals a Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill. Some of them are wary. But they're only been where he privately. They think president is going to conduct political war in the coming five to ten weeks making his own case on Ukraine and corruption we've heard echoes. I love it and Senator Cruises interview with you. I did a front page story for the post this week. About how the GOP is embracing the idea of Ukrainian interference despite testimony from US officials that counters counters that entire testimony that Senator Ted Cruz elicited this week for what it's worth you nailed it chuck their equating op op. Ed Articles in political opinions with interference. Really Guiliani is basically flouting. The entire process thumbing his nose dangling the possibility that he might be releasing more information. Text messages I said. Are you in fact going to turn over some type of information to Congress and Attorney General Bill Bar is the president signaled he might do. He said he hasn't isn't made any determination about that. Just yet privately as Robert points out I think that you have some Republicans who are a little uncomfortable in wondering whereas there is all of this going to go mad gates worth I think even that cates express going out. I don't know if he's up to don't forget about the beyond Yuliana. We have a Justice Department. report in Bar's owner coming out. She just want to be a lot of new information. Coming out hey kristen fair quickly before we go. The president went really quickly and basically weekly defending Saudi Arabia. Before we know anything here and I've already. The president basically is on an island when it comes to Saudi Arabia these days as one of the few places where I think he he hasn't been able to convince more Republicans to come over the shooting at the naval airbase in Pensacola and you have have president trump tweeting out essentially that he got that phone call from the leader of Saudi Arabia. Apologizing and it underscores. How complicated his relationship ship is? The United States relationship is with Saudi Arabia. So far they have not called that terrorism but based on my conversations all signs pointed in that direction candidate trump. What candidate trump has tweeted when we come back the growing anger."