Amanda Knox, Officer, John Douglas discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
NewsRadio eight fifty AM and ninety four one FM. But just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop, you know, feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that duality I think the the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they have more in common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serious crimes using the the cover of the badge. We we we didn't have a whole lot of those cases I had a case out of San Diego. Where was a a police officer who would teach rape prevention ended up being a a rapist, and we're able to link him forensically through. A badge the fibers from the basical badge. We're on the victims that we got into the interrogation and were able to get a confession out of him. A big one that we did part of our thirty six serial killers. In the initial study was got him Gerald Shafer in Florida he bounced from department to department small departments, and and they would get rid of him. But they would give him a good recommendation. Just so they can get get rid of him. He ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls hitchhiking in his police vehicle took him to a motel in a later on it came back the next day to pick them up in his personal car on his personal car. He had a trailer hitch and his thing would be sexual hanging. So he took these girls out into no, no, no area. Oh, gosh. Hide them up and to the girls got away got away. And then the rest was made. But then the search search was done of his residence. We had. Diaries where he wrote about some previous crimes at the police never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith belonging to victims has well in in the search warrant, so he was good. He was convicted them onto they Lincoln linking him to about thirty thirty homicides. And he was killed in nineteen ninety-five. Another inmate stabbed him to death in prison down in Florida. So we knew here that would you hear something like that? Does that bring you some sense of relief for or Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I I have when it comes to the death valley. I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago, New York with Amanda Knox. I helped them in the Knox get out of prison in Italy. And also if you heard of the case, the west, Memphis three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. I felt that case very closely. And so I helped Damien Damien Echols was on the power. And Joe Berlinger was on the panel with mix. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings wrote me in at the time. Everything was secret along with this group of forensic. You know, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of the bureau. I I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of the bureau, I've been helping on cases where I I see false. Confessions have been been given a by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in a tag team match the case of man that I know actually brought in ten police officers. Detectives who are gonna interrogator attack team you're over forty hours to break down. And and I always say an innocent person is easy to ensure gate. And then the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're at your gated like, you know, like this by some say corrupt the investigator. They think that the person being targeted. Well, this will be over here. The truth will come out. I get my attorney. They'll know that. And but meanwhile, you confess or you've you've signed a confession and problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including the FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the tape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And and I mean from the beginning to the end not not turning the tape recorder on after you got the confession because you've made or a scrupulous cop me it facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors will hear is oh gosh just person he knew everything about the case. So he had to be him. So so I I I changed. But when I see these predatory types I, and is there's all kinds of evidence that we have all, you know, not just. I witnessed testimony or some jailhouse snitch or something like that. That. Yeah. I I I worry that. And I get a lot of calls from people were saying because my attitude when I when people say Minnesota medicine. Oh, yeah. That prisons are full innocent. It is you know, people kind of start cast. But they are we have a case in Virginia here Norfolk four four four navy then independently confessed to a crime they had nothing to do with. And and they got a confession. But then his DNA didn't match. But then they got him to give another navy man's name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA did enact this one four. They got four. And the and the guys went to prison for years, and he finally got out not too many years ago. I think Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know why. But Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends, and they treat computer. Yes. I'm here. I'm a blind person. We have a police officer a lot of them. And can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not too good on the case people need we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know him. Personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire, and he went rammed and rave, they he wasn't response. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the witnesses said he did nothing and there were other police officers Ozark, the taste the guy on the ground nineteen times. How does one handle it? And if we ever get arrested. What should we do if especially for innocent and questions? Go ahead talk. You don't talk. You you you? I don't care if it's you're pulled over for traffic. Stop. I I would tell my own children as you go. And and say, no, I I want to have an attorney attorney, you know, represent right away. Is that me? 'cause I'm not saying there is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have a we have a it. We'll have like David Hanson, Robert Hansen's name give information you have to you know, to Russia via its. I mean, if you should not be paid into a room interrogated, and you should require or request. You wanna speak to your to your attorney as soon as as soon as right away. You. You think I'm innocent. This will come out. But, but you know, you can manipulate behavior manipulate someone either to confessed do be browbeaten and a lot of innocent people won't request an attorney. They don't because they think I'll explain it to them. And but the tactics of the us I mean, you can be vulnerable. I I mean, I've seen so many cases, and we're people even like Amanda Knox stage with her. Just so people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case there was one guy. Rudy. Good day is forensic bloody prints thing a prince a fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's nine Amanda. It's not Rafeal. Switch it over the boyfriend nothing. Nothing the west Memphis three, they they interrogate a kid with seventy two I q you could have told them. There was cheese on the moon, and he would have agreed with you. And they broke them. You know, the broke this kid down. He had nothing, you know, nothing to do. None. None of them have anything to do with the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damian spent ten on death row when they were finally freed, and unfortunately, the I spoke to the that the district attorney, and he says what do they want? What are they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. Yeah. What do you you don't know? I I don't know. And I turned out why he didn't know about exonerating him because he was running for political office. Right. And he was. Votes looking for, you know, this is so we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes, and then we'll get to open lines. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you at the very end a follow up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for.