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time is his religion portrayed as a as a ver shoe or is it portrayed as a thing that that increases his nerdy no it's absolutely unquestioned virtue I mean maybe he's a little squeaky clean he's he literally leaves Berg town holding nothing but a Bible in a bag of appleseed and tinpot on his head see that's the great thing about about Culture American culture from the fifties that we watched in seventies which was that he's got a Bible he's awesome he was super unquestioning about like well Christianity at least everything else is going to hell but the funny thing is like the even in the seventeen eighty s or whatever this would've seven later eight seven thousand nine hundred hundred the the reality would have been a lot more complicated the appleseed did carry a Bible John Chapman did carry a Bible but not because he was just kind of vaguely religious benevolent guy he was a proselytizer devout proselytizing Swedenborg ine so the apples were just cover story no that was his day job I see what is Burgum do you know the work of Swedenborg Eighteenth Century Swedish Mystic Emmanuel Swedenborg no I'm kind of ashamed this gap in my knowledge I kind of tend I had to look it up I kind of lumped it in with the and all these kind of later quasi cult things and it turned out later there was quite a bit of over but he was just a Lutheran mystic who started having visions where he would go to heaven and go to hell and like go to Jupiter and Saturn and chat with everybody there start religion but he was but he was living in hoops solid or something so he did not have the chemical AIDS that you might have had like he he he's coming by this honestly I don't I don't think of Lutheranism as being a religion that has a lot of and this leads to some conflict because Sweden Org hs ideas were very odd by the kind of strict Scandinavian standards of his upbringing like he goes to hell and there's not a lot of torment there's people just doing the same kind of debauchery they were doing here and so obviously that's something that sounds pretty good right what's the where's the catch so a lot of I recruit seeks of Swedenborg are are trying to dissuade converts from joining because it was not unlike adventist or the Mormon movement or these kind of new branches of of of Christianity popping up scaring the Protestants right they have they have some some monopoly and now there are some other alternatives that are appealing and often led by more recent charismatic figures your Mary Baker Eddy Your Joe Smith Your Emmanuel Swedenborg and it's in this day Sweden Morgan's kind of revere him some kind of profit prophetic revelatory they're still Swedenborg you yeah it was called the new church because in their in their mind this is one of the weirder and to Protestant is more heretical things about them is that the last judgment has already happened in a few like the last judgement comes in ages it's like a you know it's like I don't know sports play off the great flood that was the final judgment for those guys'll it's a final four situation we are right it's like it's your era has its own thing and in Sweden Borg's mind the final the final judgment had happened in seventeen fifty seven when what happened in seventeen fifty seven the final judgment was there nothing outwardly his mystical visions have told him that seven hundred fifty seven judgement and now there's a new dawn for Christianity that needs a leader like him was just an administrative last judgement fiscal year somebody stamped piece of paper and put it in a file and it was like well done yeah the great flood happens in God has given accounting and the books balanced and he's like all right here we go it's fiscal judgment three wow okay I'm more and more convinced by this so you converted mystic we Johnny appleseed there's a lot there's a lot more I need to know so you know Protestant one weird Trick Protestants hate him they would have a the differences would seem very small to anyone who's not super religious he thinks that you have to do good things to save your soul And that's not Luther airy Catholics the whole reason lutheranism came around right and and his version of the trinity apparently splits hairs and a wrong way instead of thinking that God is triune you know three and one thing that the the God's son their son and Holy Ghost are actually just divine manifestations of the same one thing right you and I that might sound the same but if you're if you're a sufficient Lee doctrinarian Protestant you would recognize Swedenborg Harrison has modal ISM a real bugaboo for you know no I don't I don't follow that whole motorists trip those motorists have nothing to say to me and the fact that people were having fun in Hell of course it's a problem because they were baddest as Mohammedan like it was too Muslim oh too many wives in hell I'd like to have to have versions of Heaven and hell they're just like earth but like the good is still being good and the bad that's you know Christianity is very vague about the afterlife and we like it like that yeah well it's about how about how good receive their reward in heaven it's pretty specific about how the bad received their house kind of the same few tropes if you're actually read the like you know we looked at that Hieronymus Bosch painting a different entry and it was very baroque uncomplicated his imagination the Bible is just like there's a lake and it's on fire and people are supposedly you're going to be like ooh wow that's on fire I like lakes that are on on isn't Ohio in the seventy s it's good anyway so John Chapman would actually you know we picture him scattering his by the side of the rubber really he's shown up in town giving sermons and you know getting up on a stump and waving his Swedenborg Ian Flyers around and handing out literature and do you get an apple tree if you listen to the apple trees were to pay the rent so he again he's not just scattering see by the roadside like in the popular imagination he would actually he was he was smarter than that he would. create fenced in nurseries where he would plant the appleseed that he had brought from back east and although he was in the movie he surrounded by woodland creatures because he's forty s Disney character like the squirrels all love him and the skunks don't spray on him from the Birds Little Bluebirds tweet around his head rabbit is there and the in the in the movie like it's really pointed out that he's some early echo guy the first tecom without a knife without a gun to sell rhymes of course this being Disney in the forties and in real life that's true that he the Swedenborg Ian belief does say that all life is sacred so it's not just these past officed he's actually he wouldn't clear an acre he was vegetarian I know that I think he was I think he was against you know other other settlers of course we're clearing the land so there was plenty of places where he can say hey buddy wanna he can be the accident sit on the stump and not have the the sap on his hands but there's lots of Turn of the century bug Zapper basically and he feel so bad about this douse campfire 'cause he's like a genus of the people Kasan twitter all the time if you're like banks and S G W so social johnny wonder uh-huh so but but these stories maybe maybe try and the thing that he would not do because of his Swedenborg in beliefs about the sacredness of life is he would not graft an apple three Oh because that would be some kind of Frankenstein thing that would require the death of a branch or the death of the tree he took the brands from I guess whoa it never occurred to me that within the within the nurseryman person nursery persons that that there would be like varying ethics about grafting which seemed like it was like grafting was an incredible technology and ancient one with the that makes good fruit trees rather than just eating pie chart from what I understand this is actually what made John Johnny appleseed unusual is that he was because he did not you know pete an apple even grafting grafting is the way you get a fruit tree to keep producing good fruit because I guess you cannot just throw a golden delicious apple seed in the ground it doesn't get golden delicious thousand grow it comes back at as some it's like the dog it always ends up being a medium sized golden long eared coyote and I assume that's what it is right. It's a little little tiny mutations that actually separate apple from a bad one and you can't count on the next litter of your of your of your Mutt puppies all having the cute golden retriever ears or whatever Right is slice off the ears it put them on a new dock they returned to their to their native sourness and it's like just like me yeah and the and a- as we'll see we'll come back to this but you know people on the mayflower had been bringing grafted branches you know as far back as the PURITANS had brought grafted apple trees from Europe apples originally I domesticated in Kazakhstan and then got Swiss yeah isn't that were kind of cool and then got sweeter and better as they moved across Europe through the Greeks and the Romans and the kind of central Asian traffic that started to happen but he would not do it he would he would not he would not do it because it was an nation before God that's right double thing that's that's dedication you know And at the end of the Disney movie they talk about how he had a hundred thousand square miles of of apple trees and that actually is more or less the extent of his reach obviously that's not one huge apple orchard the size of one hundred thousand square miles that's huge that's gotta be a estate but but that was the rain that he traveled over his long life and he was I think like we see in the stories just on yrant figure that would show up with a Tin Pot on his head he would use his cooking pot as a hat for keep the rain out of his eyes and he would wear kind of burlap coffee sacks essentially the underwear of his of his a a pot on the head is not as comfortable as it sounds I don't even think it sounds confidence right was less comfortable than that it doesn't have any kind of I the I share eight or anything big handle put the handle out front but a pot is circular and your head is oval shaped that's exactly right yeah do you think he had a weird shaped pot the size of his head like the way people that time would have death masks may maybe Charlie Brown head although that would look really weird ache about grain body exactly maybe he had a Pumpkin for head like like the other Washington characters of the time the thing we don't say about Johnny appleseed is that he was actually despite the the idea may have given to you of him as Kinda vow of poverty kind of guy is he was very canny traveler the the laws at the time said that if you plant trees that's a homestead uh-huh he's gaming the homestead act he is working the system so he won't very cleverly fence off a nursery plant fifty apple trees and that's now his orchard and he can sell it to some local guy and then leave with the money at the time of his death he he was a land and he still owned twelve hundred acres that he had not turned over boo so he was flipping houses basically but apple tree version come on on what a savvy guy forget that a lot of the a lot of the great sort of Protestant the pious Protestant of of northeastern America were also super capitalists right the puritans were all very business oriented and this seems like it like a like a little sneaky but also like really savvy I assume they brought it with them because part of the from that part of England right the southeast east where I wasn't going to be racist about about okay well you know the English had had had that was the."