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Fennell. Along highway Niro, the fine comics, it's first test propeller-driven to mobile, also flies or if you Prevert it the other way play in the doubles as a car top land speed one hundred fifteen. It's the great unrealized, drink engineers and technologists have been working on the flying costs instantly s- the non teen thirties. Slightest ration- is the autonomous Ed seat. Lubar is investing money in developing one so is Airbus. And so is the American aircraft giant Boeing Boeing's prototype. Had a test flight in Virginia. Just a few weeks ago. Flawed is probably stretching to beat it. Basically just lifted several meters off the ground and then landed it looks like a cross between a small airplane drone with five roses, an uncon- person might suggest the company is trying to reinvent the helicopter but Boeing c o. Dennis Muilenburg has certainly been talking up its potential. He he's at the recent World Economic Forum in Davos, the time of innovation is incredible right now. And it's it's great way for us to draw talent for the future. Engineer at Boeing your entire career. So you lived in breathed this. And you think a lot about the future? You think that sell flying cars will be here sooner than we missed. We see that whole front of what I call urban mobility, transforming right before our very eyes. We're building prototype vehicles. Today. We spent to be flying those vehicles within the coming year. We're also working with. Yeah. We'll be flying prototype vehicles. Absolutely. And we're working with the thirties. Like, the FAA is well on the regulatory framework just really important when you think about these dense urban environments where think about a future where you'll have three dimensional highways to relieve traffic congestion and help people operate more efficiently. Not only do we need new vehicles. But we need an ecosystem that will allow that to happen safely and reliably. So we're working on both the ecosystem the regulatory framework and the new vehicles all of that is happening now, and I would expect within the next five years. We'll see initial operational capability being field. How successful will the craft bay in helping to build the sold of three dimensional transport ecosystem that Dennis Muilenburg just mentioned professor colorady is an urban theorist and the director of the sensible city laboratory at MIT he's skeptic. Let me say I don't get me wrong. But I think we need to make a big difference between cities densely populated areas on one side. And then on the other side, you know, if you're talking about the countryside places, we better leader infrastructure in. I think the draws flying cars, and, you know, you type of flying vehicles would certainly have the role to play, you know, outside of cities or think about as a very interesting projects right now going on Africa does not much infrastucture existed influence, scientists can connect places I'll be very difficult to connect. But in cities, I don't really see that much and reason you give simple. Simple reason that's physics just to keep some weight up in the air the way, those you're away to my weight, then you need the energy in you need to generated although movement on whereas in generates of noise in this reason, why when you have just a few helicopters in city, everybody stares at the sky because of the disturbance they generate now magin if if instead of having three five ten helicopters, the same time, you had ten thousand hundred thousand so I don't think that is feasible in terms of k he densely populated areas. But I don't see it. You know, I think it's all about the Jetsons all dream of humanity. But I don't really see how this can happen in this think about in a city, that's just Manhattan in little on this side. You know, sometimes some of them will have an accident, and you know, all helicopter landing was banned in the central Manhattan after big accident happens if you decades ago, so tousands of these machines flying nice would be. Embarrass in streets. Why then do we have reputable VA shin firms like Boeing and Airbus talking up this this idea of flying old minded vehicles as a way specifically of addressing our congestion problems in cities. What know? Want to sell their machines detention market there. But I see this market outside of cities gain. You think you're seeing all the new technologies innovation that can help suburban transportation. I don't really see too much in cities. But you know, we'll see a few decades who was right in one sense. This is a little bit. Like the discussion around driverless cars isn't an automated cars we've been promised those for a long time as a way of changing out CDs, but we don't seem any closer to fleets of automatic cows. We've now major metropolitan areas to we hear of disagree with you. Because first of all self driving cars something very recent flying cars, we've been seen flying cars in nineteen thirties movie such as metropolis by free slang. We seen them in the jets on we it for like a hundred years in popular imagination and it never happened. Now in terms of self driving cars that she as latest two thousand five people could not imagine Getty of self driving car in cities. So something has been developed over the past. And fifteen years such the beginning was a famous DARPA competition in the early two thousand in the United States actually DARPA funded day it contests between universities to develop something close to a cell driving system for for the and any ten or fifteen years developing has been amazing and already today if you go to Phoenix sweets rubber taxes over eighty by one of Google's sister companies, and you can just call your up and go through the city. So I think it's actually very different story in I would say is closely. -ality autonomy is not just the black or white many degrees of Ptolemies usually people in research talk about level one two five in order to describe five being the most Thomas equal. You can think about vehicle that does everything can manage every situation you can sleep in the end of equal take you to your donation, but not yet at level five, but we are getting close in people. Some people think is going to be in three years in five. Or in ten years, but you know suit on we wear quite close today. Now think about the human driver, you know, if you are in the United States in the middle of the winter was a snowstorm sometimes we stop thinking about Singapore when it rains very heavily of cars stops, just because human drivers don't see anything anymore kindle cope with environment in the same thing happen to Thomas car. So today, for instance, rain and snow are some of the issues that not fully solved with autonomy. And then we'll get bedroom over time. But you know, they're the same issues that face a human driver is very important to have discussion that needs to experiment to try things. And then we can respond to some of those experiments. That's we cannot let our CD's evolve. You something seem to natural flew flew the official world how we can try new things in our cities decide which way to go. Now, what it was saying recently that you know, decades ago when you think about the digital revolution. I time it was spite easy because he Navision was happening say into lab Univation was. Happening physical space. So you could actually test you programs connections. You protest the internet in a white. It didn't interfere with everyday life today. It's in your world is nothing. More internet is internet of things. So internet has entered our cities our factories our homes is so what he wants to do experimentation. There clearly need to interface with citizens with equal. If you put self driving cars into the city, the fact that this is going to affect all of us. And so I think we need to find new ways of stand boxing really trying things and have also excited. People citizens who are happy to departed this and help shape tomorrow cities, professor Carlo Ratti from MIT the Massachusetts Institute of technology. We also heard today from Nick Newman at the Reuters institute for the study of journalism at Oxford University. 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