Adam Brody, Amanda Seifried, Dave Schilling discussed on Forum

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Yeah, Richard your connections just a little hard, I think probably because you're driving. But thanks for sharing your comment. Cheers does come up a lot for as being jarring for people on rewatch. Victor writes. What about Beverly Hills Ninja the way they had Chris Rock's character running around after a chicken and how far Lee's character refers to him as boy and David writes Dukes of Hazzard. It's so racist Now, when I was a kid, I thought nothing of it and Carrie writes. Obviously all in the family made my jaw dropped. When I saw an episode recently, even the theme song I used to love made me cringe. Many Looney Tunes are racist and sexist. I finally got my 11 year old son to watch my Fair lady in the ending his horrible messages about women's roles. But I do try to use these as opportunities to talk to him about these situations. Give them some context to discuss how would make him feel how he would react if he thinks parts of the story are good or bad. What characters could do? Differently or better. Okay, So what I want to know right now, Dave. Shelling is what Holds up for you. What's a show or a movie that holds up for you in a surprising way? This is a wonderful question, because we can talk about things that are good and positive. It's great. Um I really love the show news radio. It was on NBC. It got bounced around the schedule quite a bit, but I always thought it was a better written better acted. Show than Seinfeld, which was the big hit of that era. Um it's a multi ethnic caste. Um, it's a show that even though there is an office romance, it is kind of dealt with. In a very mature way. The women are not seen as prizes are their their own characters. Um, it's it's gotcha, Rogan. So there's that If you're a Joe Rogan fan, you'll be excited by that. If you're not, maybe that's the part that makes you cringe. But I always felt like that was The platonic ideal of the workplace sitcom is that the gender roles felt, um, considered and smart. Another thing that I think holds up really well is is all of the works of Albert Brooks. We talked about Woody Allen earlier on the show and how his movies are so clearly expressions of his pathologies and his the behavior that we now see as inappropriate is projected in these in these movies. Wonderful thing about Albert Brooks is that he was playing with a lot of the same kind of stereotypes of the neurotic yappy. Uh, but he did it in such a way that it was satirical that he was the villain of most of his films. If it's Lost in America or real life or modern romance or the muse. Uh, all of these movies defending your life, probably the least satirical one. But the one everybody loves the most. He is this character. In these movies that you kind of don't like because he personifies a lot of the worst traits of that part of history. And I think when you can find Material, especially comedy that is reflecting upon itself or upon the world that it lived in. You're going to get things that are going to hold up better. Been something like there's something about Mary, which has no concept of itself doesn't understand its role in society and isn't really lampooning anything other than People of different races or women or people with different abilities like that is what I look. For now, in things that hold up is as a sense of satire or a sense of, um You know, self reflection. Blazing Saddles to me is a perfect film as a black person in America. I think it's one of the greatest pieces of art about racism ever made. And Richard Pryor. If you don't know, Richard Pryor did quite a bit of work on that screenplay. And like, I just think it's a perfect piece of filmmaking, and I will always go back to that because it was addressing race. In the right way at that time. Again. Dave Schilling is co host of Galaxy Brains. And Constance Grady is a culture writer at box and you're listening to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. So cost is Grady. What has held up for you? One of the things that's been really exciting for me about this period where we are having all these conversations reevaluating, Uh, the very recent past has been getting to rediscover pieces of pop culture that kind of got ignored in their time. So my pick is Jennifer's body from 2009, which was kind of a flop when it first came out and kind of considered a bomb. Um, it was the screenplay was by Diablo Cody. It was her first film after Juno one. The Oscar, and there was like a big backlash against her at the time as being a sort of a trade hard hipster person, and it stars Megan Fox and Amanda Seyfried. There was also a huge backlash against Megan Fox. At the time, which I think looking back, we can sort of See as being part of that particular style of really awesome misogyny where every woman who was Perhaps sexualized in some way was found to be doing it wrong and was somehow failing Feminism personally, Um, but Jennifer's body actually really, really holds up. There was this whole trend every examining it around its 10 year anniversary a couple years ago, and one of the things that people have pointed out about it is Viewers at the time were reading it as or reviewing the film, as though the expected audience was a straight guy they were saying, Okay, this is a sex horror film. It's about Megan Fox being sexy, and she's going to kiss Amanda Seifried, and on that level, it kind of fails as a movie, right? It's not very sexy. Also not very scary. But once you take beer default, you were as a woman or a girl. You can read it as a rape, revenge thriller, and on that level, it's fantastic. So the premise is that Megan Fox's character Jennifer gets abducted basically by the members of this indie band. One of them is played by Adam Brody. Who, of course, is Seth Cohen on the O. C. So one of the beloved nice guys of pop culture. And they take her off into the woods and something mysterious happens. But you don't find out for most of movie and then when she comes back, she's a monster who takes voice out aside and killed them. And it sort of becomes this whole metaphor for the problem of men sacrificing women's thought. He's on the altar of their own professional ambition and how women have to navigate this toxic atmosphere that has been created and Really the central relationship in it is between Megan Fox and Amanda Seyfried. The guys are kind of disposable, so it becomes about their sort of fraught friendship and the ways they resent each other in the ways they love each other. It's a very good film about being a teenage girl. But because in 2009, we didn't think about teenage girls points of view when we evaluated films that kind of got ignored for a long time. It's been really cool to see that shift happening. Well, this is no rights show that holds up living single, the hilarious 90 sitcom with an all black cast that actually inspired friends, which hasn't held up so well in many ways, and then this listener, writes, I think it's a big problem with the American psyche in general, that wrong. Things aren't wrong until all your family, friends, neighbors and society at large. Agree they're wrong. I love King of the hill. But as a black woman, I know that Hank and Dale and that whole crew Would have been leading the charge of the capital on January 6th. Still, they make me laugh. I watched an old episode of Seinfeld, where Elaine complained to a white police officer that a black shop owner was wasting water by hosing down the ground in front of the shop That makes her a Karen in my eyes, But the show is still hilarious. It's art. And it's supposed to push the limits. Occasionally, one of the things I like about this listeners comment is that I do find that I can love a show again or even more. If I've gone through the process of grappling with its floss this had happened for you..

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