Listen: Senate, Democrats, GOP discussed on The Ezra Klein Show
"I'm curious how you think about that. So let's take them one by one. The kind of the Senate, the house and the electoral college. The Senate is the one where there is, you know the most long term disadvantage to Democrats an impact for for many years. If you kind of add up and say, what's the median or the average Senate state that's more Republican leaning the country as a whole, to some extent, I'm not someone who would get rid of the Senate. You know, to some extent, it's like, well, here are the states, and these are the ground rules in the parties are able to compete on that basis. So at least you know, the rules are head of time. To me. The biggest problem with the Senate is not so much that it happens to have a Republican lean, but that it tends to have a lean toward white voters as opposed to racial minorities. And so you know, if in the Senate you were to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC stay set would actually balance out quite a bit. The racial imbalance in the Senate, the partisan balance. Again, both parties can compete for whichever coalitions they want, and that's part of the structure in the electoral college. It does tend to flip back and forth a bit. Obviously, Democrats lost the electoral college despite winning the popular vote in two thousand and two thousand and sixteen in between that Obama, although he won the popular vote over performed and the electoral college relative to what you would expect, especially in two thousand and twelve fairly narrow, popular vote win. And so he actually with his coalition, the electoral college was helpful. The Democrats, so doesn't take that much. You know, if like if this one voting group white working class voters in the midwest flip from being. A kind of swing demographic to very Republican. That alone is enough to to upset the balance. The electro college and the house flips back and forth masonry based on who happens to have a good reelection in two thousand ten or twenty twenty year that determines when redistricting takes place. And so so the senate's when where you have the biggest structural disadvantage? I would say but yeah, look, I mean, part of this is like, you know, it's ironic other people made this comment that the GOP movement is talked about as populace when it relies on minorities of support in in various ways, and the GP did win the majority of Lisa superiority of votes for the house in two thousand sixteen, they probably will not infect very unlikely that they will in twenty eighteen. But if you have a president elected despite losing the popular vote by two points or three million votes, and you have a GOP House. Democrats only won the popular vote by five points and it's not enough, and you have a Senate. Where if states were waste a population, Democrats control the Senate, but it's not because you have two senators from Wyoming than, yeah, I don't know. You know, I think that's the rules. I wouldn't change the constitution or anything, but I do think in the way that it's described in the media, I think that's an important part of the story that tends to get passed off as a bad excuse for Democrats, right? As opposed to something that is fundamental to the structure of wow, elections turn out the way they will. Let me ask you about the house side of that. What you were saying that the house flips back and forth depending on who has power over redistricting. There's a big debate in political science on this. You know, this is well as I do where political scientists tend to be a lot less convinced of redistricting theses. It's going to me redistricting helping Republican some, but but there is this argument that a lot more of it, increasing his geography, that Republicans are so much more dominant in rural areas. In sparsely populated areas, Democrats are clustering so much more in cities that even if you had relatively fair redistricting. Like, let's say, we gave it to independent commissions, like as candidate. Us you would still have a Republican lean in house just because of literally cultural preferences in where Republicans versus where Democrats live d, do you think that's not true?."