Facebook, Instagram, Jeff Horowitz discussed on Slate's Political Gabfest


Quite extraordinary. Well it does give you the sense if all of this is true even if it's only like sixty percent true that as you were pointing out in all these different parts of the government this system held but like it all right oh. My god did shook and rattled the last bolt in the basement and it might not again. Let us go to cocktail chatter when you're sitting having a bolt in the basement. Bolt in the basement is just a shot of whiskey with another shot of whiskey on top hat on top of a hat. What are you going to be chatting about emily. My chatter this week is about a story in the wall street journal about facebook and instagram. Which should be jaw-dropping. Except that is also just part of such a pattern at this point so the story is called. facebook knows. Instagram is toxic for teen girls company documents. Show it's by georgia wells. Jeff horowitz and deepa setha rahman and what this shows is that facebook has had research for a while showing that the way in which girls in particular feel like have to live up to other people's expectations about how they look has had a real effect on their depression anxiety levels. And you know. When i was writing about bullying for the book i published in two thousand ten this whole question of teenager. Self image the dilatot that social media can have on kids loomed so large and when i went and spent a day at facebook at that point they were not in total denial about this but really dismissive that they had a real role to play in preventing these kinds of ill-effects. And i think what you see over and over again is that they dismissed the problems that they are very much. A part of and you know when mark zuckerberg. The ceo of facebook was asked about children and mental health. This is at a congressional hearing in march. Twenty twenty one. He said the research that facebook has seen shows that people can have positive mental health benefits in connection with social media. And we've just seen this pattern where facebook finds out from its own internal researchers because there are some people there who are concerned about what the company is doing that there are these problems and then the company walk away or tries to bury that research. Because it's not in line with its own public image and it's it's an alarming pattern. Emily can you just spell what some people might say. Which is oh well. This is what glamour and cosmopolitan did you know for girls. Growing up in the seventies and eighties. Just explain why. This is so very different. So you know. I think about my own growing up because i grew up in the seventies and eighties and it was totally true that you would look at magazine images and realize that they had nothing to do with your own body and your own face. That was you noticed. But the idea that it's girls themselves posing and being so just having this feeling that they're comparing themselves to their peers that they're not measuring up that they're supposed to be creating this perfectly curated set of images about themselves and presenting their lives in this romanticized way. I just think it would have crushed crushed me. This isn't this isn't just about girls. I mean i can see how it plays out in the teenagers. i'm adjacent to. And i know how it would have destroyed me which is not about necessarily body image but about foam. Oh and about you know the whole process of growing up is the messy creation curation of your own life you you wanna make sure you have lots of weird clumsy messy identities so you can figure out which is the right one and a half no one emerges into adolescence perfectly formed so it's always going to be fraught with all of this imperfection and to create a thing that injects you with doubt about your imperfection on a minute by minute basis at this time when you are both sensitive and need to be experimenting with your identity and i by which i mean everything from. Mis comic book person or like a star. Wars person or like math geek. Or whatever i wanna be. And think i am or like generous person who donates my time at the church. All of that gets ruined by this injection of doubt at just the wrong time and it's all or at least on instagram. I think in particular it so much about physical appearance and like who you're socializing with not about like all the other attributes of your development your brain your accomplishments your interests that you were just talking about mean obviously social media can feed those things too but this particular aspect of it. It just seems wholly unsurprising that it's having a toxic effect and and the facebook doesn't care very well said emily. I see this weirdly. There are some adults who behave like teenagers on instagram. And it's so alarming to see people who are leading these lives with their which the so manicured and curated and where they're they're posing if you know anything about their own actual life and you realize like this is not. This is not really connected to who you actually are. What you're unhappy family. Life is actually like what are you doing with this. It's really sad. And i looked at that way for adults. Imagine what it is for sixteen. Look i know. You don't think i'm out clubbing every night but in fact that is the new lifestyle we have bridged. Somebody's impersonating me on instagram. They're not causing any terrible problems. Or just like posting as me. And i filed a complaint instagram like a year ago. And they've never gotten back to me. So i just literally can't get onto instagram. Like it's just not a thing in my life. Because i can't have my own account back and so i literally unless i'm leaving my husband just is something guys. I'm sure there are people who listen to this show who work for facebook or instagram. You just her. Emily basilan like literally one of the leading journalists. The united states complained a year ago to you..

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