United States, Emily Baz Lan, Paul Sabin discussed on Slate's Political Gabfest


Not something that's like killing a lot of people are making people really super sick but the path from here to there is is just not clear and it seems right now like there's just as a lot of obstacles. I think probably the best way to make sure people get the vaccine is to tell them they. Can't you know just like make. It seem like something. Only only the government gets to have and then hope that reverse psychology on people. Because i feel actually a lot less positive. I live in georgia. So i am certainly in the midst of lake vaccine denial world but in a way i really do worry about what has been thought of or if like a fringe anti-science movement that like wasn't even across the political spectrum people were okay getting their kids vaccinated as a general rule. I am worried about like what happens after this because so much misinformation is spreading. I just seeing the other day on instagram offender. A friend who is a nurse and she's protesting outside the hospital because they're saying jessica vaccinated and she doesn't think that's fair and you just wonder. Yeah it's very it's dark right. It's very. It's very depressing concerning to see so much rejection. Even from medical professionals rate of the need to get vaccinated against something that has literally killed. Almost you know over half a million americans alone And yet there's still so much pushback. So i i'm worried about what is coming down the hatch on this i mean it's so our inability to act for the collective good so high. These days are failure or incapacity. To see i mean to. I'm sure the nurses saying oh well i. I'm willing to endure that risk for myself and it's like it has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with you. Nurse it has to do with all the people you're going to interact with who are vulnerable. I mean what she what she said was like she was. They were treated so badly during kobe. They had no. Pb protection they are asked to do so much they which is totally true. I don't understand why the response to that is. We should be able to put you know sick. People at risk versus we deserve better protection. We deserve You know better. Hey we deserve better hours in It just feels so misguided to me in in some ways. I think it is an attempt to exercise control in a world that that people feel like is unpredictable. And they don't have a lot of control over rate but honestly seeing nurses protests outside hospitals. Beat me a lot more pessimistic. Can i ask you all a question about the sort of global moral quandary. Were in so you know. I totally understand why parents of younger kids are begging for a faster approval vaccine in the united states. it doesn't seem like we can get to herd immunity without those kids especially with the more contagious variant. At the same time we have these horribly low rates of vaccine access in much of the world and you know we were supposed to have a plan that ensured that vulnerable people globally older people people with Other risk factors got access before the lower risk. People who were the younger people. I mean have. We abandoned that out of pure selfishness in the united states is the contagious of the delta variant. A legitimate reason. What like how are we supposed to think about this. I mean i was actually thinking about emily that i've been talking about the us so much as we've been talking about this and not like what this actually is is so much more dire for people in other countries and they don't have access to what we have access to up by the way makes the vaccine those who are refusing to the backseat a little bit more frustrating. Because you see. In other countries people waiting ten twelve hours in line for the hopes of getting a vaccine in here were just rejecting it but it is true that what we're seeing in places with less vaccine access is in no makes what's happening here look like cakewalk. It's it's devastating. Let us go more. Surely to cocktail chatter when you are sitting in the swelter of new haven. Emily baz lan extremely cold. Drink next you cold alcoholic drink. What will you be chattering about to paul sabin. I am imagining that margarita. Over the weekend. I can never resist an opportunity to talk about the census and this week. The census bureau is dropping the all the data for redistricting across the country. So this is the data that will enable states to reallocate legislative seats within states. We already did apportionment now. We're onto the inside states. How does power shift. And we're gonna just have this mad dash of map-drawing Because a lot of states have these really fast approaching deadlines for redistricting to take place like in the fall. And it's just gonna be really interesting to see you know how. The state affects the power balance within states. What happens to opportunity districts for black and latino voters that are acquired by the voting rights act There's just like lots of political power to be reallocated with huge consequences and some of the states that are going to expect it to move really quickly. According to politico are colorado michigan. Ohio kentucky iowa. Other states with early deadlines oregon north carolina california virginia. Those are some really important states for both the balance of power in the house and st some of them with their own state houses in play. So anyway i will be watching all of this very closely because i am obsessed. The census j. dr jesse w race. What's your gender. So clint smith who co hosted justice in america with me for our first two seasons. And it's just one of the kindest people on earth guys not. I'm recommending his book. Because this book is legitimately great Is called how the word is passed and it is kind of a survey of american history through visits to different Historical sites so he goes to different sites including angola prison in louisiana. He goes to monticello. And he printed analyzes and assesses the role of slavery in american history. The way that we grapple with it or don't grapple with it and it's really just beautifully britain as well. i mean it's it almost feels like fiction. It's so so beautiful So i highly recommend clinton and then one other book that i just to anybody who has middle school kids will really enjoy. This book called my in the robot which is just amazing book by eve. Doing who is just incredible scholar in all sorts of ways. But this amazing. Why book for kids. I guess it's not why maybe it's for second to fourth grade or something around that age but it's really really good and so I highly recommend that one as well. I just want a second recommendation. Especially for clinton's book and also to a few weeks ago you're on the show and you talked about d. transition baby is a novel that i was in the middle love when i was listening to you talk about it. Oh my gosh. We talked about online. And i got a lot out of that but yes it's so good. my chatter about. Maybe the best story. I read in a longtime. It's jen senior story in the atlantic. What bobby mckelvin left behind grief conspiracy theories in one family search for meaning the two decades since nine eleven and it's about a family and this family lost a son in nine eleven. Bobby miguel vein and his father and mother survived. His brother survived. His girlfriend survived and jen senior. Who is very close bobby. Miguel veins family goes back and spend time with twenty years later and tries to understand what his loss meant. And how how. That's shaped how they've moved through the world since then and it's i don't want to spoil it by getting into any of the details it's just a beautiful heart wrenching story about loss and and about surviving loss so check it out listeners. Listeners listeners listeners you send us your cocktail cheddars and it's great. Please keep them coming to us. Please send them to us at slate gabfest on twitter because.

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