Richard Davies, Joe Biden, Optus discussed on How Do We Fix It?
You can think of the expansion engine. The Franchise in the eighteen thirties. Jacksonian democracy particularly the progressive era. I think really resonates a lot with today. And then the civil rights era in the nineteen nineteen sixties. Now if you're keeping score at home that's about every sixty years or so that we go through one of these bursts of democracy reform and if we add on another sixty years I from the nineteen sixties that takes us to the decade that we are now entering and all of these periods have have certain things in common in that before the reform happens. This feels like politics is stuck and it's not responsive and things are never going to change and then social movements build up younger generation gets energized. Politics takes takes on this kind of moral energy and then change happens because the people want it. Great Way to end Lee Druckman author of breaking the two Parties Zoom Lou. Thanks for joining us at. How do we fix it? Well it's great to do the fixing time with you all right. The I really like lease notion that somehow we need to bring bring back this mushy middle in our politics. It could be Joe Biden's campaign Slav. Could well be for my money. The by far the best and most exciting suggestion in this book is about ranked choice voting. I think really does have the opportunity to vastly improved political system. Even if we don't go as far as he wants which is having four or five political parties competing with each other you both you and I are skeptics. Antics of that I'm not sure that completely breaking up. A two party system will solve the problems that we're now being faced. Yeah and this is where I'm supposed to be the more conservative one on the show and Richard. You keep you keep letting me down by being alien either. This act waving left optus need you to be for the drama of well partially because I personally want to save the Democratic Party and I don't want the laugh to split apart in in in two very distinctive ways because I think that if you did have a system that encouraged multiparty democracy you'd have the AFC Progressives Bernie progressives the right and she just she just said AFC if she would be a different party from Joe Biden. I believe that's that's true. Yeah so there's a very clear line. I think that the Democrats are much more likely to split apart into two parties than the Republicans are but as the person who's supposedly the more conservative one. Here in our podcast part of conservatism. Is you break. You bought it mentality like before you start taking apart the car motor. Make sure you know how to put it back together again so I am cautious about going too far too quickly on this idea and there aren't a lot of there are a lot of technical issues. With ranked choice voting for example it requires a lot of engagement in terms of the electorate. Because you not only have to know which can you you want to know five or so candidates. How do you rank them? Maybe a lot of people are like well. I know my one two after that is just. I'm just throwing darts. Oh I don't assume that the American voters are are less intelligent than the time on there has been a demonstrate phenomena where people fill out the first two or three blocks and then they give up and so their votes wind up sometimes getting tossed out. Well I think maybe that's more of an argument against referenda than it is against ranked choice voting. Because if you had for instance one election where you went in you went well I kinda like this woman more than I like that that guy but I'd rather that that guy was elected than his more conservative opponent. Then there's a clear choice there. I don't think that's very difficult. Yeah I'd like us to go slow clearly. There are serious problems with what we're doing right now so I'm not saying that our systems perfect doesn't need to be rethought but I do want to take it one step at a time. I think where you and I do agree an actually more in favor of ranked choice voting than you are but I think where we do agree is is recognizing that independence are very large chunk of the American voting public and having a system which recognizes them as has significant players is something we should strive for. You know. I'm not in favor of identity politics but there are an awful lot of groups out there that feel. They're not being heard. And if there's a way way to pull them into our system better I think there's a lot to be said for that so I don't WanNa wind up like Israel where you get these little tiny splinter parties exercising wild outsized sized influence over policy because they form coalitions with artie gets the plurality of the votes. That worries me. But maybe there's middle-brow at the very least lead Drummond's ideas of provocative and given the state of our democracy right now. We certainly need to have a debate. And he's a thinker to watch really recommend the book walk because we need new ideas right. Now it's how do we fix it. I'm Richard Davies. I'm Jim and our producer is Miranda Schaefer where production of Davies content we make podcasts for companies nonprofits. CHECK US out..