Richard Horowitz, Westchester County, New York discussed on Lyme Ninja Radio - Lyme Disease
Here we go. Hi thanks for having me. You're very welcome. I'm so happy to be here. We're going to have a great discussion about mass cells and lyme disease and mold than IV treatments and Juror. Kinda three hundred sixty degree way of looking at patients and treating them very interested to talk to you about that. I'm happy to tell you all about my approach and how I see these very complex complex patients that that need a lot of a lot of attention and they are not getting it from the medical establishment. As far as I can see so. Do you get referrals. Or how do people find you? A good question A little bit of a few different things. I speak a lot. I'm out there in the community and around the country even rela world speaking all over the place and You know Either patients were clinicians. Who see me? Connect with me said patients to me and I have a. I have a big referral base in my actual patients. You know the patients who have been seeing me entrust me with the care of either themselves or their family members and I'm so fortunate to have the patients who who believe in me and want me to help their other family members of their other friends or neighbors etc so it's You know it's a it's a it's a it's a big process and But I'm really fortunate to have that that's awesome. I like to say that lyme disease is diagnosed over the backyard fence. It's neighbor-to-neighbor St- still. Unfortunately now how did your practice become aware of lyme disease because not every physician is i? Don't WANNA say woke but woke to lyme disease now. I know well you know it's an interesting story of if I if I could share it. It's it's as I look back on experience. I know that things happen for reason. I know I was stern place of certain time and I needed this was meant to be. You know I I was speaking out other conference so I started. Sort OF BACKTRACK. A little bit. I was with Practicing medicine in a large multispecialty practice in Westchester County. New York and I was You know what I was seeing was that I was not helping patients the way I really thought they deserve to be helped and what I was seeing is that they had things that I couldn't always figure out with the tools that I had and so I would start digging in digging and digging and eventually realized that I needed to be on my own and I needed to do it in a way that would Would help more people and so I started. I called it an integrative medicine practice and and I'm located in Westchester County New York which is really a hotbed for lime disease right so I had patients of course I had a few that I was treating actively at that time That I started the practice. But I didn't appreciate the epidemic. That was going on right next to me right under my feet until I was speaking on a conference with. I consider him the world's expert in lyme disease which Horowitz and he was speaking on lime and I was speaking on my topic at this conference and I listened to him and hills knowles and I thought. Oh Wow this is big. But I don't know I don't know if this is what I missing and you know he came over. We talked about to hear my practice. And I said you know that Integrative I was doing that and he asked me how you know how Sean I was seeing. He was assuming that in Armonk New York Westchester County. I was seeing a lot of wine and I said no I have a few cases. I'll never forget the way. He said he doesn't forget it either. He looked at visa. No you don't I don't know you have a lot of cases you're just you're not. You're not you're not picking it up and I'm thinking but I was. I'm asking these questions that I am being. You know really open ended with everything trying to get the history and the questionnaires I'm using. And what am I missing? And you're very quickly. I mean with a two weeks. I realized what I was what was happening. And as what were you missing missing chronic tick borne diseases and at what goes ahead. A nation already had a code and I see decode something else. You weren't going back. We'll know now I was before I mean is they would come in. I'll give you an example in their little tired. They're not functioning. The way they need to their thyroid is off. The adrenals are off. The hormones are off. Okay and I look at that and as an integrative slash functional medicine doctor I know what to do. I'd have got issues right so working on the gut. I'm working on the adrenals. I'm working on the thyroid. I'm trying to put this together right but I haven't gone to the root. Why are the adrenals that why? Why is the thyroid that way right and you blame it on? You know if it's a woman in who has young kid you blame it on the kids you blame it on sweep you blame it on the Diet right so I did all that and emphasised. Sometimes you clean up the Diet. Clean up the gut their immune system gets better and better and you know and you. Maybe they are on a little thyroid and they back and they say okay. You know that that did it and you feel like you know you've been really successful with that patient but there were others you'd hope a little and then something you're missing. There's something else. They're still not better. They're still not where they need to be And that's those are the cases I would come back in and say I don't know now I'm having this weird Ringing in my ears the Tinnitus is now. We're a little dizzy. And then I and then a light bulb. The light bulb goes off. And once you see it you can't unsee it and so then. It becomes clear that that by former patients that I was treating other things probably had underlined performances as the as the trigger. Some of them where it's active and has retreated in some of the maybe. It's not the disease that has to be treated right now but you need to understand why it happened and you treat the consequences. It depends on each patient. But that's really what happened in as the new patients coming in and as they saw that I was in tune to this you know then it snowballs snowballs. Everyone knows now that that that's my specialty that I that I can identify diagnose and treat diseases so before you came the neighborhood lime doctor and you would just. I call a through the looking glass right now. You can see how much of your practice became lime. Instantly that'd before other referrals started just flooding in. So let's say I go from five or ten percent right a few cases to forty percents probably in. I don't know three months. And then seventy percents in a year. And I saw Richard Horowitz a year or two later after the conference and I went up to him and I said remember what you said and that's why I had to say. He looked at me smiled. He's an I remember. What do you think in I said Oh my goodness I think? Seventy percent of my patients have line disease or work or related to boycott infection and And he said Yup you got it going. Yeah we we like to say here on the show. That lime covers anything. That type of infection stealth infection. Because I mean we can spend hours just listing. Every time we speak from physician's point of view it's important to distinguish but when we say lime you could feel comfortable tick-borne infection and maybe a few other things to thank you. I'm glad to hear that because I think of line is an umbrella term due to be official. Of course you know Borelli has lime and for Nelson thing and there are some things to distinguish you know when I when I have to during this conversation. I'll say this Nello related. You know thing but generally speaking yeah. I think that's a good way of looking at it. It really tweaked me here at upstate. Medical they put out a press release about that two months ago. Three months ago saying that we've discovered this new infection. That's worse Than Live. And it's beryllium memo. Thai is like really guys as like what you've been missing all along and now you're covering your rear end saying oh we've discovered this new thing called news. We already know so old news. And they're like wow we're so great It's like you're late to the Party about twenty years now on one side. We have lime on the other side. We have mould kind of in the middle connecting these masol activation. So tell me how you see those three fitting together. So I think it's important to understand that there's there's the environment And that could include infections that are coming in from the environmental it could include Molden micro-toxins and other environmental chemicals. Voc's and then you have the host. You have the person right that has to deal with all that and so some of what we we need to realize that there is a genetic component and then there's something called epigenetics that's the environmental a assault on the DNA basically changing expression. So we have genetics that dictate. How our immune systems work They they give us a risk for autoimmune diseases or risk for cancer or whatever it is you may never get any of those things but if you have the right exposures in the right at the genetic effect you can develop those things. So I always think it's important to understand the the host that is coming from and I think it's important because there are lots of people out there. I believe that if I pulled I always say this if I pull fifty people off the street and bring them into my office or a hundred people are thousand people and I draw blood on them and I do know the best lab out there till detective borne diseases. I would guess that in the area that I'm practicing eighty to ninety percent of them will have a positive something lime burnell but this year looky at a plasma something some of them are not sick. These people are not sick at all. Some of them are sick or are functioning and have little things that common go so they see a regular doctor and some are very ill right. The question is why is that right? That's kind of what I'm spending my career trying to understand. Why are these? Are Some patients so sick? And how do we get them to get better right so I think about the genetics? So in many cases where I see chronic line the severe I see a predisposition early in life for either immune dysregulation of some kind of get frequent strep infections. They get allergies. Are there to the dog through to the cat. There they get a lot of rashes. They have stomach aches. They've been constipated the minute they were born there. Something about the the flavor of their presentation that I in early Asian. I could see that this already..