James thank you very much for joining us today. From you on the show we could stop with you telling us about how you got into documentary filmmaking and specifically how you got into the erie of few documentaries that would take us back to the early. Nineteen nineties where. I had a father who was paralyzed from the neck down with multiple sclerosis and he was a writer and in. So i've been traveling. He was a fantastic to larry's driven ambitious intelligent witty. Great fun guy. We traveled the world together. I was his legs. Is schommer is secretaries nurse. With a lot of fun. We interviewed. Stephen hawking we interviewed race cartilage legend. Dan gurney traveled to formula one races down in mexico city. I mean we did some really cool stuff and my my father was a brilliant writer. I was always amazed at how could put words together and <hes>. So good at it. Got such a skill and i had picked up probably in the late eighties very early. Ninety certainly the late eighties early nineties. A video camera from a friend of mine. And i was so a amazed at the technology of steve instant. The did was take back then. But the instant playback it's like you know it was amazing. It was a real novelty back then and and what a great tool it was for documenting things and so i started doing video production. You know probably my very early twenties and <hes>. Probably i dunno. I want to say when i was around. Twenty three twenty four a very good high school friend of mine. One of my best friends. One of my best mates we <hes>. We bought a car length. We flew to europe from america. We bought a car in london. And we drove this old fiat. One thirty one doors read two hundred pounds for it. We drove it all the way to added justin not just had a hell of a of adventure together and car did make it out four gold back but he was a good friend of sky rene and he started to tell me back back in the us <hes>. About ufo's in one of my best friends honestly and <hes>. <hes> i had. He didn't talk to me about highschool but he talked about it later in early twenties tonight. I thought he'd lost mind. I really did talking about roswell. You take your you haven't heard about roswell and i just thought well it's been a good friend and i'm gonna have to write him off. He's lost his mind and <hes>. I was telling the story to a a mentor apprentice. Video production house in san francisco <hes>. Ellison horn productions have been like this in this guy. Richard van sickle was was one of the senior people at the production house. The brilliant guy. I really looked up to him. And i just one day told him all. You're not gonna believe really good friend of mine is tell me about your phone and then about how you crashed and aliens were recovered in roswell back in the forties. Got my poor friend. He's lost his mind and <hes>. Richard turns me and he says no. You heard about that. I said haven't heard. But no i haven't heard fully happened. He said they actually admitted that it happened. And i thought well hang on a minute. richard. Somebody i look up to and i respect and very intelligent. He runs his video production company. And i thought well if richard thinks that happened. Maybe i should take a closer look. And so i did. And i went to a couple of conferences and i <hes>. Befriended some military guys basically exchanged offered an exchange of of documenting them and making you know <hes>. Making their interviews available to the public and documenting presentations and things of that nature in in exchange. They kind of brought me into their world. Bit and then <hes>. I think when i was twenty four maybe twenty five. I said hey. I'm a documentary on your phones. And i was amazed at how not unsupportive. My father was because my father was