Dr Henry Louis Gates, Dr Gates, Kimberly Morgan discussed on Extreme Genes Family History Radio


She is the power behind genetic genealogy with finding your roots with Dr Henry Louis Gates on PBS. She's the person behind the Edna detectives. C. C. Welcome back. It's great to have you. How are things? It's wonderful to be back. I always loved speaking with you. So thanks for having me. Well, thank you. Philistine on what's new? I know. I know You're coming up on a milestone with your DNA's a detective group. And this is pretty exciting. Yes. This week we will hit 150,000 members. I created the group February 27th 2015. So we're about 5.5 almost six years in and I believe that's the biggest Edna group in the world. I can't think of Can't imagine many people know I wouldn't imagine that. What's going on on finding your roots. You're still doing that as well. I am And you know, a lot of people think I was just been a consultant all these years, but I've actually been a full time. Production team member all of these years since 2013 and it's been really hard to balance that with everything else I'm doing and I'm so fortunate that we finally have somebody else on the show. Kimberly Morgan has come on is one of the associate genealogist working with Nick's Ch'ti. She is really good with DNAs. So this is the first time I've had somebody to help me. With the genetic genealogy research on the show, and it's been just wonderful. How fun is that? And we got a whole new season of that coming up in January. We've got Dr Gates coming on at that time to talk about some of the celebrities coming up, so that's gonna be a lot of fun. And and, of course, the genetic detective's been out there for a while, and I would imagine with covert. That's kind of shut down a lot of things because you did a lot of travel for the show. I did, and I haven't been able to do anything like that. I've definitely been working from home. It's also affected finding your roots. But we have been in production you might notice when you start seeing the newer episodes that the table is longer. They've got Dr Gates 6 FT table Now sort of the guest is further away. They're following all of These very strict guidelines for being able to film the show. No one else is in the room that the cameraman typically and they're watching for a monitors and other rooms. Everyone's mast up, except for Dr Gates and the guests. They're doing testing, so we are able to continue to create content for that series, but it has been challenging. And you know, it's harder for people to travel. Of course, Dr. Gates has been driving long distances to get to those interviews in some cases, so the show is gonna look a little different, but we hope everyone will still be happy to have it. You know, it's certainly better to have it, even if it's not exactly the way it's always been. A lot of cases will only have two guests instead of three. As some people have seen in the recent episodes. They've done some remixes, where they've taken some of his former guest stories and mixed them with newer guests. And so sometimes people think it's a rerun that it's actually not a rerun. It's a remix, and there's going to be some new material in that as well. So this is, of course, just your side work because your main job is putting people behind bars for things from a long time ago. Cold cases cold case murders. And you've actually had a couple of court cases recently is understood that were one and this is kind of unique and important for a couple of reasons. First of all, you get a lot of people who confess up front, so it's never really tested in court. The question of genetic genealogy, helping to identify a potential suspect. But when it gets into court, we haven't seen anybody challenging the technique because it's just treated like a tip. But now you've actually had some people who pled not guilty, went to court and got convicted. Right? So we're about 2.5 years into this now, and when we started, there was a lot that was unknown. Of course, we didn't know how the courts would treat this and how Juries would view it. And it took a lot of time before the case has started going to jury trials, Of course, and so in summer 2019. We have the very first case that went to a jury trial where the suspect has been identified through investigative genetic genealogy. But it's been pretty slow going. And just recently, we've seen a number of cases go to jury trial and get convictions. And so it's starting to set a real precedents, the use and acceptance. Of genetic genealogy and these cases, so that's exciting. Well, it is a little surprising that there haven't been more challenges. You know, There's been a lot of talk about Fourth Amendment issues, but the defense attorneys are not bringing those issues up. By and large. This isn't becoming an issue in these trials. And so every time I'm on hold to be an expert witness. I've been canceled without exception because they've all decided that genetic genealogy isn't really an issue that they can challenge. Now That's not to say, you know that will never change may be a defense attorney. One day will challenge it to a greater degree, but it is setting a precedent across the United States now. Genetic genealogy really is a tool. This isn't evidence to be admitted in court in front of the jury. This is a tip that pointed them toward someone. And then it's the investigation they did from there. That is what is used in court. And it is just a tip. And it's nice to know too that as more and more people get involved in genetic genealogy, we might be able to solve more and more of these things. Yeah, you know, we're up to 133 successful identification and those are just once where they've been fully confirmed in..

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