Israel, Palestine, Hugo Chavez discussed on The Tel Aviv Review

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It's you know, Islamic groups all transnational groups to some extent many of the nationals groups period. And it was you know, because it was the outstanding issue that came out of our best perations after World War Two. And it was not let's not forget, you know, most of the measure r. Wars up until that period were fought between Israel now upstate's, obviously, there was also that you're on Iraq war, which was quite devastating later on. But initially that was the story on I think generation after generation of odds rule up on that. And the story hasn't died because every once in a while a flare up, and it brings people back to this issue. And I think when you look at you know, in the polling just I use that as a test. You know, when you ask people who do you admire most or whom do you dislike most I don't really use that as popularity contest. I just I find. So what's the mindset there? Why are they thinking of people the way they think jock Sharar sometimes that use them has unless rely Shii leader or doin who's a non Arab leader. Hugo Chavez, these people that rise to the top over the years. As most admire leaders now world and all of them are tied to. To the question of pasta because this is a sub-conscious measure people saying do I like the Spurs or not is this person? Good on Israel, Palestine, dispersion, not good on Israel Palestine that used to be part of the measure not for old, but for large number of Arabs as as a shortcut in doesn't mean that people like the Palestinians people like, but they used to that that was sort of a sub-conscious prism through which people made an evaluation thing that you put it in terms of pain. Like, this is something people really feel was humiliating to them personally living, you know, maybe in Morocco, or you know, countries that really don't have direct connection. This is source of humiliation. I mean, look at the social media even now about how humiliating for example, with reports about Israel, normalizing the Gulf states, look at the discourse of the opposition humiliating humiliating is what you hear the word you hear? Yes, I hear that ought. Sure. I mean, this is and people would Email me. Who would you know on some of the social media? It's because they see it as you know, breaking with their sense of self. They should as going against themselves going against who they are. Now, it has changed a little bit. And what what I mean by that number one. It was never true that governments really cared that much. They cared. A little don't get me wrong. They fought over this issue in a yeah. You can call their political maneuvers as political. But look, you know, the still went to war with Israel and forty eight and sixty seven and fifty six of course, that initiate and seventy three and yeah, they were our territories involved as well beyond posting. Territories. But still you know, they cared upto point. But the public was a different story there. So it as the Prisma pain. Now, of course, you have something a little bit different. You have governments who not only don't see it as a priority issue to them. But the don't. Even feel like they have to pay as much lip-service did before. And they are trying to change the narrative that the people have that it central because they think that if they allow that narrative to be sustained it'll come back to haunt them because they want to have relations with Israel. And if the public doesn't like it it will play into the hands of the opposition. So Palestine has become an opposition issue? The question is whether succeeding now, you can argue that the Palestinian question has diminished for the public as well since the album prices for a lot of reasons, there are the priorities. I mean, if you Syrian or if you're Libyan or Yemeni or an Iraqi when you you're so entrapped with your own and from my pulling in the region, I can tell you not for my pulling sorry from our colleague Shikaki polling. We know that Palestinians are highly aware of exactly that they know that they're preoccupied. Sure, the preoccupied this is not a top priority for many of them..

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