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I'm John Batchelor. This is the John Batchelor show. David Livingston, Dr space of the space shows, my colleague and co-host. This is hotel Mars. We are speaking to Dr Brian Weeden director of programming and program planning for secure world foundation, Brian and his colleagues earlier this year developed a paper it's available for everyone to read and which they outline counter space or what are the threats? What is the mission the necessary for space, and Brian I want to start with China and probably end with China 'cause roscosmos is out of money these days and has problems building a new space port that works. But China has no problem. With ambitions not only to land on the dark side of the moon. But also to develop what you could say is right now, a nascent lunar colony mission they are looking to extend the militarization of space from lower orbit to all the way to the moon, and in between we can imagine China also has tested some years back. I believe is two thousand and seven the only active anti-satellite weapon ever fired, and it caused enormous amount of trouble that still devil's us because of the detritus from that far out from that from that event to your measure right now does the United States have an understanding of China as a threat in low-earth-orbit a threat for lunar orbit or do. They regard this as some sort of parallel program for a trading partner. How are they? How's it regarded Brian? I think they have a pretty good idea of the emerging threat posed by some recent developments for you know, earth orbit in general, and I say that because you know, the test was the most public, but there have been many others that same system was tested in two thousand five in two thousand six although not with an intercept China has also conducted additional anti-satellite test ten thirteen fourteen and fifty and there's strong evidence there the US is well aware of of efforts to develop what is probably going to be an operationally capable and a satellite system, and perhaps more than one. And that that is what prompted Walter that along with some of the Russian activities is what prompted the Obama administration in two thousand thirteen to go back. Back and re look at its national space security related policies. And that is what started this whole discussion, which is ending up with the space force today. As far as beyond earth orbit. I mean, the US military is currently focused on its satellites in earth orbit and how they provide support to trust your warfighting. The military is not looking beyond that that's not in their current mission skull. And so if you're references is not consider China in the moon and beyond while the US military's not currently looking at beyond earth orbit. So that you know with fall into this discussion of what using mission of space force to is still remaining focused on supporting and enhancing warfare military activities on earth. Or are we looking at expanding the mission to other national security missions yonder? And that's something that is you know, there is no answer on that yet. It's currently being debated. David. Do you see that? Getting this information out to the public is is making a difference in terms of our awareness, and what we may convey to members of congress, and and to others, it's the public having a an important role in this debate yet. Well, I know we've we've had discussions with staffers and members of congress about this. And I think having a document to talk about publicly has helped in that regard. You know, believe it or not members of congress or not always up to speed on. You know, the details of some of the policy issues. They're debating particularly issues that are as highly technical and complex and classified as some of this space stuff. So in that regard, it really has helped as far as the general public. I think Dr bitch trickier, you know, the this debate about NASCAR space your priorities an organization in missions is not new we've been doing military activities and space since the nineteen fifties. And the public really hasn't been engaged in that has known about. They've been focused on NASA human spaceflight, and you know, the average astronauts are doing. You know, this is changed a bit. You know, President Trump has personally waited in on this day sports issue. And I think that has definitely raise the salience of it. And it's raised awareness among many people who were not necessarily following it before. I don't I am fortunate. I think that is resulted in there's a lot of people that now support space force because he does also people that are against the space because he supports it. And so I'm not sure if that raising the public awareness has been beneficial or not will we have yet to see. But I think, you know, in general, we hope there's going to be a more informed discussion about, you know, the real issues here. What are the US space systems, what should US policy be to deal with those how best to organize and maybe a little bit less on sort of the partisan politics side of Dr. Brian Weeden is the director of program planning for a for a secure world foundation. The report where speaking of is available online, I recommended as reading for a glimpse of the twenty first century is challenges in lower orbit and beyond. David Livingston, Dr space of the space show. This hotel Mars episode, Anna. I'm John Batchelor..