America, Ben Franklin, Wall Street Journal discussed on Kim Komando
Hi, Ben up there. You are. Hi, ben. How are you? I'm good. So so the right side of history. This really this book kind of came out of the few conversations that you had with some of the members of the intellectual dark web. Did it not? I mean, I it came at the very beginning out of the two thousand sixteen election and just a generalized feeling that everybody hated each other. And you look around you, wait a second. Everybody is living in the most splendid sort of prosperity in the history of mankind. People are living to record ages. People are living in the free society where they're allowed to do pretty much anything wants long. They don't punch somebody else in the face. And yet, we are all really pissed at each other. And so I was started wonder why is it everybody seems? So it happened wire suicide rates going up. Why are we having its opioid epidemic? Why is everybody so unhappy in what should be the happiest son? Just read a headline today. I think it was maybe the Wall Street Journal about the the greatest job market in a century. That's what they're calling this the greatest job market in a century. And you wouldn't know that you'd think we were in the great depression. That's exactly right. And not just that you you would think that we are in the divorce racial time in our history that white supremacy on the one side, and and anger on the other side and everybody just hates each other. And you would believe that we are divided by class in a way that we've never been to fight about one percent against the ninety nine percent. And none of this happens to be true. We happen to live in the most racially equal time in the history of mankind. If you could be born into any time, this would be the time that you would choose. And so the question becomes why are we so angry? And I think that the real reason is because anger still something that we are missing. And that is a true sense of what apple is. And what we need in order to to be happy. We we've sort of redefine happiness. Mean feeling joy at a particular time or whatever are subjected emotions, tell us himself esteem has been mixed up with happiness, but if you look back the ancient you look back to the Judeo Christian system happiness has nothing to do with any of those things happen. It has to do with pursuing moral purpose using reason and that that was always the basis of western civilization. And so I started thinking about maybe the reason that we're so angry at each other is because we've lost what we used to share. We lost. We had in common which was this common adherence to set of values that we used to call western civilized Elliot's. Yeah. We don't need is often misunderstood when he's talking about. You know, God is dead. Everybody's like, oh, he was declaring God is dead. And it's a great thing. No. He's actually saying it's a warning. We've just killed God. Congratulations. We've just killed God sciences raining. However, God is he'll be found someplace else. What are we going to replace him with? And you know, it wasn't too many years later that they found national socialism in Adolf Hitler replace. God. And that's kind of the same thing. Now is we've we've we're destroying God. And everything we we always had Moses. And Jesus as our as our archetypes will there destroyed so who's our type now? Exactly, right. I mean, Judeo Christian values didn't just laid the foundations for our moral system. They also laid the foundation for science. They laid the foundation for the idea the reason matters because if you're scientific materialistic or somebody who believes that all of humanity, we're basically just wandering balls of neat firing neurons wondering through space, then not only is there. No morality. But there's also no such thing. As reason why should we argue with each other? We are just again wandering balls neat. One Renfrew space. Why not use force on one another? What exactly do we share that? Why not why not side up with tribes and go to battle with other drive? And that's what we're we're beginning to see is there's this guy told her filling it with anger. We feel a sense of meaning and sense of belonging getting angry at other groups, whether it's politically or whether it's other groups racially, and it's really ugly. And and it's really a problem is this is this is a fundamental, but frail of what it was that the west built in the first place, but western built on certain principles. It's it's kinda fast. Glenn when you look at this this manifesto from the shooter in New Zealand, and nobody should read it because we don't want to give it any sort of play. The one thing that is clear as he keeps using the term the west, and he keeps using it to mean, white supremacy and on the left what you see is people who define the west in much the same way, they'll say western civilization has to go, and we should be teaching about it. Because all it really is is a system of dominance by people who are more powerful. It's a system of white hierarchy. Is about at all what made the west unique is that it was about the notion of individual rights notion that we are all made in God's image on the one hand and the religious sense. And the notion that we have to use reason to pursue the best outcomes on the other hand, which is which is a Greek notion and the combination of those two notions built America, which I think is is the greatest extradition of western philosophy in the history of mankind. And we're losing that we're losing that. Because we've decided that that God does not adjust. And so there is no actual rationale for believing. There's a higher morality we can serve class morality. However, we want and on the other hand, we believe that reason is no longer useful. Because you can't understand me after all you don't come from the background that I do. And if you don't come from the same background that I do then how can we have a common conversation? So what is the role of the university you address this? What is the role of the university now? And how do we how do we get it back to divert? Thinking, and and reason and logic. I mean, I think the only way to do that is for the American people to actually demand as always the responsibility lies about certainly no question that university used to be the place where people said he'd Greek and Latin and actually learned the ancient in the original language and understood what was the principles of civilization, and they become almost reverse that they they've been taken over by the critical studies genre, which is devoted specifically to the idea that the west is basically just a hierarchy of power that has to be torn out at its roots. This is something that was done by the Frankfurt school done by post structuralist Marxist in the university system, and it's been team as a as a pseudo sophisticated arguments against western civilization, the truth is, of course, that the university still as all of us in the west on that we're still we're still working off the fumes of a gas tank. We emptied ourselves. So I if you think of a western civilizations having these values, and that's the gas in the engine and the. We decide which we want to steer the car right now. The car is empty because we haven't actually refilled back. Yes. We're living off the, but we're pretending that we're moving as our own momentum. So how how how much longer do we have on those fumes? I mean, I see in then. You and I were talking a year ago about how bad things are. They are. They are so rapidly changing. We are we are running toward socialism, we are running towards infanticide. We're running towards our own destruction. Now how much longer do these this car run? Yeah. I'm not sure that it runs too much longer. Absent a real reexamination of why exactly America is Dan Catholic, and that starts with the premise that America's Ed Haskins blesses that'd be that'd seltzer the controversial proposition. But if you really don't believe the west is thick you should Bizet another civilization. You should spend some time there because the west is a pretty incredible place. And the as you say, I I feel like you know, we are running out. I feel like those of us who are conservative. We we need to become better representatives of our who Lhasa, and it can't just be about we want lower taxes, and we want less government intervention. We have to we have to say what what is it in human nature at demand, these things what is it in the system that means that human beings are happier under this because the argument that's being made for socialism right now. He's not in fact in our prosperity. It's not that we're all going to be better off. And we're all going to be more prosperous. Nobody believes that you read the green new deal, and you can see the folks on the left don't believe that what they are actually saying. There's a sense of meaning to be failed in some sort of shared classes, why they're constantly referring to sort of these wartime ethics that we're we're in a war. And because we're in a war, therefore, we should all mobilize, warlike fashion. Well, you can mobilize people that way, but you're mobilizing towards something. That's not going to bring them happiness. The truth is that happiness can only brought by social fabric resting on a common frame of morality. And by the beliefs that individuals can make a difference in the world that we have free will and reason to pursue. And that we are bound to our neighbors not by force and government by voluntary belief that these people are brothers and sisters so Ditore Ville said I looked for the success of America. And I couldn't find it anywhere until I went into its churches and there I saw burning on the pulpits. It was it was the pulpit. It was the priest and the pastors and the and the rabbis and everybody else that that we're speaking these truths that you're not seeing any more. You know, we were we were losing the civil war until about the middle of it. When ABRAHAM LINCOLN said, you know, what we gotta make this about the end of slavery. And we need a day of fast in prayer and humiliation we needed we needed a day of atonement. We didn't lose. I think we only lost one more battle after that day. We lost everything before it and only one battle after you say today we have to. I mean, when when you can't get the Senate to say, we won't kill babies after they're born. When you can't get the Senate we have so withdrawn from from God, there's just there's no protection left. You talk to people and say, hey, we should probably we should probably turn around and say, hey, forgive us for everything that we've done, and can you just can you hear help heal us? Nobody nobody's thinking that way. You can't say that in regular open society. No, we we become a very secular society. And and here's the thing. The argument of the book, isn't that you have to be a religious person. I know you don't believe that he sort of got right? What you do have to do you have to make certain assumptions about human nature that I think are religious in nature, and if you don't make those assumptions, and if you try to rip away the under learning for those in the in the religious belief system, you really hurting everybody else, and you see this for for a lot of folks who live on the coast who still have sort of an air thatt's social fabric created by country clubs or by college or by social groups, and they live very conservative lifestyle in the point to Charles Murray is met at the same time. They're ripping on churches. They're suggesting that you deal. Christian values are bad. What do they think is holding up the value system? That maintains the country in the rest of the country outside of the L A, New York, it really is the to Gail dies. Yeah. It's it's the argument that Ben Franklin made to Thomas Paine. Like, you know, Hugh crew up in the system created by these people, you you you have a liberty because of that, and you're enjoying those fruits that are allowing you to tear it apart. But it's it's a suicidal task that you're on. It's the difference between the French revolution in the American revolution painted coarsely huge fan on the French revolution. And Edmund Burke, of course, is not. And and pains basic argument was that we need to get rid of religion religion is what has stood in the way of human progress. And the berkey and argument is wait a second. It's religion that who stood behind him in progress that doesn't mean that you do Christianity has always been free and wonderful or that it's always been interpreted properly in accordance with freedom..