Admiral Nakajima, John Batchelor, Stanford discussed on John Batchelor
Know, his students who. Are now you know some of the most well known professors they already retired who were some of the most well known Russian history professors about in Russia a yells at trains American graduate. Students he was a quite unusual type and so they were professors in. In in in Stanford and in Indiana who who worked, with him as exchange students back, in the sixties and nineteen seventies so suddenly I find his voice. In, the Arctic There were. Others like him essentially. The regime is drawing on people who who can read and speak German because it's, about, the Germans and so they need they. Need them they recruit them as intelligence officers and he is essentially. Used for the. Purpose of enemy propaganda how to how to demoralize the enemy he participates and organizes. The interrogation of of us prisoners, he oversees the production of leaflets and he corrects the, production of, deflects when he sees that some of, those leaflets don't fly with the prisoners others flyway very well so this is what he does, during the battle and, and he talks. About this yes and it's important what his background is he's an extremely educated man born in one thousand, nine hundred four his great grandfather he notes in his own interview was given the. Cross the same George at Borodino he was also Ascended from a Russian Admiral. He's, what is known as former people what does that mean professor former people he was he was a very well known family, so his his. Great great uncle was Admiral Nakajima, who fought in the Crimean war and and these were basically. A repressed people under the early days. Of Soviet power anyone who was a Aristo Crecy anyone. Who was high in the regime was by definition the enemy of the Soviet state and was not and their descendants we're not welcomed into a. Soviet society so these. Were the so-called former people the people of the former regime who were not allowed, into, this new order which was strictly based. On class so it accepted workers and peasants poor workers and peasants. I should say. It rejected anyone who is considered a speculator pills for a hoarder et cetera and. And and and Aristocracy in particular. So this forest Sancha costs to actually hi his social background and moreover he went to factory he worked for I think seventy five or seventy is a simple factory worker and I believe I read this really as. An attempt to rework his soul. To essentially poor deterrent is himself to make himself more acceptable to the new order so he talks about these things quite. Freely interviews which is one indication from. Me that these interviews can be read. And should be read verbatim that this is not done for the KB but really these I in good parts, spontaneous documents during the war the, terms change, because the. Regime Stalin goes back to the invokes the pre revolutionary traditions especially the military traditions, to to, to draw additional support For his cause and, so suddenly you know Nakajima's. Is is is is is a good person again and effective there's a mental named after, him and so suddenly you know this is his grandfather Past is rehabilitated and and and there's that change and then that's one more reason why you can talk about all all these things, openly another reason I like Zion Chomsky is that he gives us a quotes from diaries that they've found or letters that they found off. Times on the captured or, the dad or the deceased and you get a glimpse of the Germans and his job because he has the German language is extremely educated is to picture the, enemy and just a note here he. Emphasizes that one, particular leaflet did better than any other in was the picture of a. Little girl crying with a picture. Of a dead soldier behind her and it was entitled Papa is tot- daddy is dead and you can seize I enj- kofsky learning from. This and lecturing, immediately he, is in during, the, interview he's he's imagining what it is in. Order to weaken the resistance and. Lend the end, lend the, possibility of capture as Opposed to killing a man. Precisely this leaflet was was extremely effective it was used another battle size time it again and I I found an instance where propaganda were talking among themselves and and their their rationale was, that German beastly they kill without remorse however they are they also sentimental and and so they're prone to sentimentality and we need to explore. That you know they love, their German shepherds they love their own children so let's exploit this and that's that's that's really aim for this and hence this this picture of a of other, four year old girl that is that. Is crying Popeye's, dad is reading essentially an official notice that so has has died there. Were other leaflets that didn't fly. Especially, ones that talked about the Germans as fascist when the we're not fascist who you mean they tell fascist we're not Sasha's so who do you have. In mind. And especially, propaganda that invoked the brother brotherhood the pretty -tarian brotherhood you know you are of workers descend we are work to send let's. Unite, against the. Rich people who are organizing this War I mean this did not cut through the the, nationalism that, was so deeply ingrained in. The German mind we're going. To turn to the. Germans to, the interviews of the German prisoners. After the surrender in February of nineteen forty three the book is Stalingrad y'all can hell Beck is. The book and is Zion coffee will be with us he does some. Of the interviews and what I learned, from this is when an historian goes to war he's still an historian I'm John Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show.