Ben Lindbergh, Twitter, Baseball discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast


Always by Ben Lindbergh of the ringer, but how are you? Not too bad? Good. And we are also joined today by Joshi and of the Joshi and newsletter. Hello, Joe. Hey, man, good time to talk to you. Yeah look, I just talked to you too. Thanks for joining us. How's your walkout going? You know? I did not. I think so we did a thing on slack. Get everybody guessing the day throwing out their number. And I said, February 25th. And until fairly recently until the mediator news cycle. I still thought that was possible. And now I well don't. We're recording this on Friday and we'll see what happens on Saturday with the offer. I'm not terribly optimistic. But I now believe we're probably going to lose a chunk of spring training and maybe even some games. I underestimated the owners resolve to win. Despite there not being very much on the table at this time. Yeah, I think that they may have underestimated the player's resolve also. Yeah, so I wanted to have you on because we've been watching you process the lockout in real time via Twitter and your newsletters often at the bottom will list some target, subscriber count where you can quit Twitter forever. I guess you're not quite there because you have been tweeting a lot lately and you've been putting yourself through the torture of trying to teach Twitter about labor relations in baseball, which is one windmill to tilt that. I suppose. So we wanted to have you on to turn your pain into podcast content here because you've been doing your best to try to educate the masses on there. But it seems like there are certain talking points that you have been writing about and talking about for years and I'm sure you're getting through to some people, but perhaps not everyone out there. So we figured, well, let's just have Joanne and we'll just run down some of the worst lockout related or baseball labor related arguments and it'll just be a nice handy dandy podcast primer and we'll put them all in one place. And then we will be able to banish those arguments forever and Twitter will be a Paradise of refined and enlightened discourse. Now, I want a mission to civilize a reference that my fellow sorcerers will get. Yeah, I don't want to be on there as much as I am, but I do feel like when you think about all of the bad information that gets processed. And it's better now than it was in 81 or 94 or 2002. I do feel a certain obligation to put better information out there. And I don't know, that sounds like egg ran I mean, there's no way around it. But I think the only way you beat that information is with good information. So I like to think I'm providing better information. Before we get into that information should we talk about one of our other favorite topics around here is a sports betting. Multiple models of baseball because that's something else you address this week, Joe. And we talked about this a bit when we had Bradford William Davis on with Meredith wills to talk about their work that revealed the multiple models of baseball that were in use last season. Just the gambling implications of that not being able to count on which baseball is in use at any particular time. And you're more pro sports betting than we are or I don't know if we're anti it existing, but we're anti having to know and care about it. I guess. Is where we are, which it seems like, based on your most recent tweet, you are sympathetic to that view. It's such a blitz such a full court press with the gambling and the betting stuff lately that it's kind of a turn off even if philosophically you're not necessarily opposed to it. Yeah, I mean, I grew up around, you know, because sports betting was just something that was always around growing up, the parlay tickets and I know my family had a bookie using things like that. So I kind of grew into it. So I don't have a trigger against it like some people do. And there's nothing wrong with that. But baseball is the sport that has always been the most anti gambling. Dating to the scandals of the late 19th and early 20th century is culminating in the 1919 black Sox scandal. Baseball is the one that has the rule that says if you're involved in all gambling. It's always positioned gambling.

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