Donald Trump, Europe, United States discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience


How did that happen? And how do we make sure that never happens again and I would be able to say look. Here's some factors that have contributed to this throughout history, and and here's you know. Maybe this will lead to some reforms, and obviously didn't work out that way. This book has come out when we have a climate denier running the country. Climate tonight. He has called it a hoax several times now I think maybe he's been talked out of using that term lately, but he still pushing back the regulations and really trying to. Change a hoax I, he's said that several times and I know at least in one one tweet, maybe more eight Chinese hoax that China was trying to to perpetrate on us, so so in any event you know. I I wrote an infuriating book I didn't mean to. I meant to write a kind of. Let's all step back and look at this book. But it just turns out. You cannot write about infuriating topics without writing kind of infuriating book I do try to keep some perspective here and and you know look at. Look at the good parts of this history, which is to say in each case you have members of the public you have scientists who have journalists you have movement stepping up and confronting that denial, and eventually, in most cases overcoming it and you know we do have other segments of our society that are designed to try to. Not just pursue profit, but to seek truth that scientists and journalists and that doesn't mean they're not also trying to sue profit sometimes or at least get paid for for their work, but. We do have systems in place that have successfully. This and so it's not like we're starting from scratch. We are just in a very big hole right now. An particularly about climate change, and particularly with so much corporate power over Congress and and frankly the states as well what? What subjects were have? Were you see there's actually progress been made? Well you know people have been fighting climate change on the state level, and we have done some things also federally for a long time over the years. I mean many many states have put in place. Climate targets to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. Many have put in place when you will energy standards which have been enormously successful in building up. The wind industry, the solar industry, and those technologies as they deploy improve have gotten so much cheaper. I mean. It's really much much easier now to imagine getting rid of fossil fuels than it was. You know forty years ago when? The industry. I confronted this or win society. I, really started looking at this. And the federal level. They've made major improvements in They've required efficiency standards which have been really helpful. For like major appliances, we had auto efficiency standards. Now Obama put some strong winds in place. Trump has ruled those back again. So that's going to limit the the progress exactly when it needs to be accelerated, so that's that's maybe not one of the good good pieces of news. You were asking about We have. Well I mean I think that's going to be largely focus, and and and even though we have trump is said we're not going to be part of the Paris agreement anymore, which by the way every other country in the world is a part of there's a handful that hadn't ratified it, but everybody else is part of it even though he said that you have many states, and in many cities stepping forward and saying well, we are still part of it, and we are going to be working to reduce our mission, so you know that's all very good news. The technology that we do have a deep bench of policy experience. We know a lot of good things that we can do. That will work and. We have the rising concern that youth movement. You know all around the world really that who are who are really stepping up and say. Enough! We have got to deal with this and we've got to deal with it now, and because you grownups of wasted thirty years. We've got to deal with it particularly aggressively. No you cover how many different subjects in this book I cover eight different campaigns of denial. It seems like for you. In particular climate change is the most disturbing, or that's well. That's the one that threatened the future of human civilization. And the one that I got started on. Yeah, but but yeah cover cover seven other industries including slavery radium radium radium was. Industrial Strength. Denial take on radium radium radium is a crazy crazy story. radium is insanely radioactive element. That was discovered. You know around. Just, a right right one, thousand, nine, hundred by the curies and France. And it was a mystery I mean it was way more radioactive than uranium and people didn't even know what radioactivity really meant, but there was a sort of aura of wizardry around it, and and when they discovered it, they didn't. Well the first thing they discovered, and they discovered this the hard way was that it burned your flesh. It didn't hit right away, but you carry some around and then in a few days you would have burn there. Because it was sending off all of this energy, so they thought okay. We have this flesh killing cell killing element. What can we do with it? And they thought well. Let's try to kill. Cancer Tumors, which was actually a very good idea and they experimented with that. That was the the medical use for radium. We're going to put this radium next to a tumor. Then we'll take it away and it'll shrink, and we can use the same radium for the next tumor, and so it was a very efficient what form radioman! They would put it that well, if somehow would refine it and distill it into tiny tiny little amounts, and then they would put it in a needle, or put it in a vial or something, and just position it. Near a tumor it started out as or and they had to refine it refined it down down down down down. and so the the government's at the time in Europe, and and also in the US thought great. Here's this weird crazy valuable stuff. Maybe we should control this or so we make sure it gets used to actually cure cancer and and in Europe. That's pretty much what they did in the US. We try to do that, but. The industry there was a brand new industry that was just forming. And they step forward. The the first company was called Standard Chemical. They stepped forward, and said no, no, no, no, no I, if if the government starts taking over radium, because it's radioactive, radium or well, everything's a little radioactive. Where will this stop was classic? Sort of slippery slope argument. Somehow it it succeeded, and so what happened was this mysterious and potent element became a another commercial project commercial product to be exploited by this this company standard chemical. There were some others that later popped up. Standard Chemical was founded by this guy named Joe. Flannery and he was, he had background as. His family were morticians..

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