Bill Ryan, Len Casten, Cornell University discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
Back to coast to coast, George Noory with you. We are joined by Len Casten had joined the US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University. And while in the air force, he experienced a UFO encounter that had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena, that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nightcap was the most prestigious organization of the country at the time investigating you affords Len. Welcome back to the program. Judge always a pleasure. I joined nightcap to when I was a kid. I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Yeah. What a great organization, KO did a great job. And he was the head of the oil also. That's right. Exactly. CIA too. That's a good point. How have you been? I've been fine. I haven't fine and you pretty pull writing you've got this new book coming out next year dark fleet. I know I've been working on it for about a year. Looking forward to that. We're we might as well book for next year already to get you back again. It's kind of been published in much. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets sherpa because that has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? Well show. Yeah, absolutely. It was a it was an interesting. It was an interesting event. Several and, you know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show, haven't you? Yes. We sure. Have. Yeah. Bill knows a lot about Serpa also and also carry Cassidy, it really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under wraps a time, finally emerged, thanks to the DIA. They had a lot to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. Back and was a back and forth transferring program. No, we set twelve Americans on, on an alien spaceship to that's too, that planet in nineteen sixty five. Did they come that they stayed there for thirteen years? Gosh, reminds me of the ending of that close encounters of the third kind movie remember that seeing the movie was about that actually twelve left only seven came back. Five. Died in two decided to remain there. Really? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm not sure they liked it. What's that was that was a question I asked at contact in the desert this weekend. If you would go on an e craft one way and not come back in half of the panelist said, they not go the other half said they would I'm not I don't know. I would say that in advance that they would intend to stay there. That's surprises may because that's that's unlikely to go to a fine planet. One hasn't even seen and wanna stay. Stay there. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they liked it. They're two of them tuned in we're was this planet, what system was then. And they take you lie about thirty nine light years from our sun, our solar system isn't that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and Betty hill case might have originated from system system, and there are many, many planets around that particular son, actually actually, it's a binary son to their two two sons there in the ridiculous system. That's, that's the reason that people never had any darkest there, because there was always one son in the sky. So was always right there. When they were there close encounters came out late. Seventies, I think close encounters came out in, I think it was seventy seventy seven okay in right. Do you think they fed Spielberg some of this information? Absolutely. No question whatsoever. He wrote the screenplay in one weekend at the Sherry Netherlands, hotel in New York City, it could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed the information, and he was getting the information from the DIA. Did they give him the information because they wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened? They thought it belonged in the public at the public, had a right to know this because it was important story. And so the DIA people who released it wanted it known. And this was the best way they could do. It was due to Spielberg. He just made a tremendous hit with jaws, right? And they thought he thought he was the right guy for it. And he did a great job. It was a great movie and people still talk about it today is a matter of fact. Yeah. And that saying where the twelve twelve people lined up ten minutes to women lined up in orange jumpsuits number that same with moving with their sunglasses on and everything else, your they need it strong sunglasses. Because they knew in advance that the sun was very bright on several. Special as and skipper, brought that out. Len with a lot about it was an amazing program, both the movie and probably the project Serpa has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end we tablets to relation diplomatic relationship with those that civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia we invited the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as fact that was that was the so called. Nineteen sixty four craft and landed in northern New Mexico. Lonnie Mora was right to coral. That was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed near Sokoto instead of Holloman Air Force base. But then they got finally got a message, and they went back to Holloman and they stayed in orbit, while the other one landed was actually sent to craft here was that case, the lonnie's Amora case that conveys j Allen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. Hi, Nick was the one that said it was the most convincing case that on record. Exactly exactly, it changed his whole view. It did. Exactly. And because it was a huge egg-shaped craft sitting on the ground on legs. And there were too small creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed they jumped in and took off. They went for a while. I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they have out there somewhere because of kinda sounded like it. But it but the more I got into it lend. The more I realize now, one is more, I saw something from out of this world that incident occurred on April twenty four nineteen sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's that's how it all coincided. It was abs-. Absolutely right. On target Lynn. What kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they had anti-matter technology. We know that. But they also knew how to travel through wormholes, and they was in Germany took only took them ten months from one to the went into the other. So it must have been true. It must have been through a wormhole where travelers actually instantaneous, but navigating to and from the entrances to the wormholes, take some time, and that's probably how they how they chewed up the other ten the other nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole like bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. Exactly. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes are really part of a much larger web, that permeates the, the, the whole solar system, like it's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you're through you go to Stargate. And you you're traveling instantaneous Lynn when you wrote the book secret journey to planet surp- home, which was back in two thousand thirteen I think, how did you come across the story? How did how did this come to you? Well, I spent two hours in a in a shuttle craft with Bill. Ryan. I witness, and he talked about the whole the whole trip now when he when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on. Now. He wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small cab. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said, you know, it was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it. And it made sense to me, and I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to just simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website. That was put out there by the DIA much information that it's mind boggling fourteen thousand words in the web on the website. Which was created by Bill created website. No. That's where all the information come from in somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consulted about this. Tell me about that. Yes, he was consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about these astronomy all the astronaut details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it because he was too, too much involved with the astronomy program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making touch and nutty, claim same style. Same university, you went to yes. Yes. He went to Cornell. He was the head of the department there, and he was brilliant. He's brilliant. But. The whole thing was that. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his needed his input and. But he wrote he never nevertheless. He did write about it in fiction in excellent form. He wrote the book contact right? So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about the information what he knew about situa- because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept that Tim Sally couldn't he couldn't really he has a head of the department or night league university. He probably would have lost his job. Yeah. That's that's true. It so he, he took the wiser course. And nevertheless, he's still become immortal guy. He's, he's really missing zone right now the agency that ran this department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that. Was created by president Kennedy nineteen sixty.