Jesus, AJ, Ed Kessler Dr discussed on Jewish History Matters

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What would you say are the the major ways in which the Jewish annotated new testament relates to and is different from other Christians study bibles that have the the new testaments the core of the text and why do you think that these differences matter it isn't the only annotated New Testament seriously considers names and describes the full Jewish context of the New Testament it is the only one that adduces later rabbinic material and not simply by citation of Texas but also quoting the text itself because we don't presume that people would have saved copy of commissioner or a copy of the Thomas at hand it is the only text that flags issues where Anti Jewish interpretation has been a problem it is the only texts welcomes Jewish readers by explaining Blaine in Christian terms? Christians themselves would be familiar with it is the only texts that provides data on Jewish festivals on Jewish history the period on Jewish reception of this material and so on in particle people to do this is most other annotated new testaments commits Barnett stands alone and new testaments but the annotations are part of the larger Christian Bible and because of limitations in space such you testaments can only be several hundred pages long because you have include the entire old has major Hebrew Bible in that single value so that sounds like a very simple technical issue but is lots of implications Scholz. This is a stand alone annotated new testaments and as such we really have the room to do all the things that we think are very importance that Aj just mentions and also proportionately our innovations are able to be longer and that's three clued food much more information and different types of information in the typical Landau -tations in other new testaments stale completes Biblical Study Bibles not to mention all the bacchus. If I mean that's actually a great segue because I wanted to talk about some of these essays as we obviously can't discuss all of them but I was hoping that we could discuss the two essays that both of you wrote Mark You wrote your essay about the relationship of the New Testament with the Tanakh as well as with rabbinic literature so I'm curious. If you may want to say a few words about what it is that you think that we gain from putting the the New Testament within this literary context context. I think that many Jews when they approach Judaism have an understanding that the rabbinic period the media follows the biblical period that you go from the biblical period to the rabbinic period to the nevil period to the renaissance the life of the modern period starkly that is not true. The latest book of the Bible is probably recited way. This book of the Hebrew Bible Liable or Tanaka is probably the book of Daniel from the second pre-christian century. The mission is codified what say very early in the third post Christian Century so that leaves us with over three hundred years of a bland and in order to understand the progression of Jewish history of Jewish on Jesus properly we need to fill in net material or fill lynn that period between the Hebrew Bible and the Rabbinic period and the New Testament is what are the most central ways of doing that again. There are other sources spiral. Alexandria is just see US various scrolls. There are some books from the Apocrypha in some deep Sudan arguably the most important way filling in that material is through the new testaments so in that sense what really Toronto hunted by essay is have the New Testament period testament itself functions as a bridge again in that saying jeep bridge but functions e bridge between the difficult period and the period of such because I do consider myself it has starion and I'm interested as I starring in Hell ideas change over time having the New Testament as the resource for seeing how these ideas change over time in this intermediary period is very important for me that was really the focus of that assay because then you see that the rabbinic period is not something that is totally new and revolutionary but that many of the things that you have the rabbinic period are already seen in some form already in the New Testament itself. I think part of this whole project of looking the New Testament as a Jewish book so to speak is to think about how it is one data point or a set of data points that we have in terms of understanding the development lament of Rabbinic Judaism of Judaism and Leeann antiquity if we think about this period of three hundred four hundred years if we had nothing from the year sixteen sixteen hundred to two thousand will you know will be understand that I think that when we look at the ancient period and I say this as a modern historian you know there are so many gaps that the more more that we have to study into learn from we can gain a lot from it. I mean I was also hoping that that. Aj maybe wants to something about your say as well because I think that you know if we look at what Marcus dealing with this is a literary project right. This is dealing with the history you know I think that part of what you're engaging within your say on Ariza misconceptions about early Judaism you know has a really profound impact not just in terms of historical knowledge but also in terms of a real world impact because of the way in which the new testament is interpreted predict every interpreted and perhaps sometimes misinterpreted by many people who gain a false understanding of Jews and Judaism from it as you you put it many Christian religious leaders. I'll just quote from the essay you say that they that they often quotes trip Jesus and Paul from Jewish context and depict that context in false and noxious stereotypes you know so I think what I'm wondering is when you look at this long list of misperceptions which you detail in this essay. Why do you think that these misperceptions arise is out of the text itself and why do you think that these persist over the centuries and even sometimes to the present sure well? That's like asking why stereotypes exist exist I. I have a list of ten if I had more work higher workout. I'd have a list of twenty or thirty or forty. problems continued to be perpetuated aided in every year. There's a new problem that POPs up where somebody gets the context wrong. Why do these things happen they happen for several reasons for example? They happen because it for a number of people Jesus has to be the savior and he saves not only to return a life and he saved from sin but he's he's the poster child for Social Justice. So what a number of Christian readers do they say well. If Jesus comes to tell us what justice means that he must be correcting something that's wrong in his Jewish context in consequently consequently Jesus becomes the inventor feminism amid of first century Judaism did epitomizes misogyny or Jesus Bents Pacifism omitted Judaism which is all about militarism violence or Jesus Bench Universalism omitted Judaism which is xenophobic or Jesus cares about healthcare omitted Judaism where if you're sick you're you're looked at as simple and all of these are just incorrect stereotypes designed to make Jesus look good in designed to promote the Justice Liberation Theology which I personally like because I like that you're using the Bible to diagnose political issues uses this negative trope of Judaism fairly frequently Louis because it's a very easy way of making your justice case in other cases because of modern stereotypes of Judaism for example the Jews or somehow interested in controlling the world in all Jews are rich in we should be so lucky transpose those modern nationalistic antisemitic stereotypes from the nineteenth century on up back into the world of the New Testament text accordingly and in other cases people will take certain verses in the New Testament white literally and conclude food well because Jesus calls the Pharisees Hypocrites Than All Jews hypocritical or because Jesus calls the Pharisees lovers of money which is a standard impacted in antiquity therefore Jews are all interested in of money or because Jesus complaints about some Jews who were concerned about external practice rather other than internal repentance that therefore all Jews Quad Nici are interested in materialism and external ism and can only pair it but have no creative aspect so we've had two thousand years worth of negative stereotypes about Jews and Judaism. It's not surprising that those get rid back into the new testaments and because some of them actually derive from interpretations of the New Testament. There's feedback loop continues. I think the major reason the stereotypes continuous tenuous because in a number of cases people can't even hear them they simply take them as warm in the same way that when I was a kid when we children we're acting in a rambunctious manner. My mother would call out stop acting like wild Indians. I mean today that sounds horribly racist and it is book back in the late fifties which is nearly sixty S. Nobody recognized the racism. So when I swab needs errors that people make I am not accusing them of being anti-semites in fact. I don't think they are the problem is that they don't hear their own negative stereotyping but the cool thing is once it's pointed out to them. They do do and most of them are able to self correct after that right I mean I think it's interesting because it brings me to the final essay at the end of the book which is by Ed Kessler Dr which deals with the New Testament and Christian Jewish relations specifically you know he deals with three areas dealing with super session anti-jewish teachings and then the the ongoing ongoing development of Jewish Christian dialogue and I think that when we look at your essay for instance a. j. you know about a misperceptions misunderstandings endings that I think that you're hoping that this volume will help to correct in. What ways do you think that this volume of the annotated New Testament can contribute to the development of Christian Jewish relations today as well as into the future we gave a lot of thoughts to the order of the essays and having that essays the final final essay he's very intentional some lays it overlaps a little bit with Aj's essay and drive some of the points that she just need the home in a slightly different way a one of the things that I get Kessler emphasizes is just how important it it is to be honest about? What did these text there are super cessionist texts within the New Testament and and we need to call them out on doesn't mean we should follow them because we can justify them? Perhaps we became explained. Damage should explain them within a historical context but we need to call these problematic techs per day. Are something else staff that particular essay ties is really traces Jewish Christian relations in particular star goal all contacts begins the distant past moves to the near past and ends in some hopeful full hopes for the future. We're doing this podcast. A few days after a woman was murdered in synagogue right outside of San Diego by one supremacist so it is difficult to be hopeful all the time and I they can really do need to recognize that despite our best efforts letting people realize that certain texts are problematic in have been the cause for Anti Semitism the can and should be bred dealt with different play so we have half problems. We need to recognize these problems but both of us alongside people like Kessler who were working very vigorously elite toward better Jewish Christian relations are working very hard on making all cleared as aware of the problems that exist and really building toward a more hopeful future correction that we hope this tech can provide on the other aside. I've heard from numerous Jews that Christianity is nonsense that it took pagan religion that it's a misunderstanding of Judaism it has nothing to do with ethics. It has only to do with belief and all sorts of other negative stereotypes about Christian origins and Christian practice and belief so so in the same way that we're interested in correcting Christian misunderstandings of Judaism were also interested in correcting Jewish misunderstandings of Christianity There's there's enough bigotry to go around. Everybody has baggage and it's this volume can continue to allow Jews and Christians to have better better understanding of each other and through understanding usually comes respect. That's all to the good will thank you. This is really interesting. Thanks for taking the time for this really really.

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