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"Hey Jeff we're going to talk to a felony motto Mildenberger. Now he's He's a professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara. And you know he's he's an interesting guy. He's got a lot to say about about candidates and where they stand on climate change. He's a political scientist. He also has a really interesting new. Study out about solar panels else and whether Republicans or Democrats are more likely to have solar panels on their homes and and his findings are are pretty interesting. You looked at at people who have installed solar panels in their homes to see if it makes any difference in terms of their political behavior. Whether or not they have solar solar panels on the roof that right exactly. That's right so one way to think about this is we're able to answer the question. Imagine that you you find yourself in some some neighborhood any random neighborhood in the United States and you're standing in front of a house that has some solar panels on it. What can you know about the ideology about the political behavior of the people who actually live in that house? What we find is really interesting? We find that there is no real partisan gap we find that Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to be installing solar panels on their homes overall across the entire country. There are a few more Democrats than Republicans who have solar but that's entirely function of the fact that solar solar is concentrated in states and locations. That have more Democrats living in them like California but within a neighborhood knowing if someone is Republican or Democrat. Crat doesn't actually tell you anything about whether they have solar not. Okay so what does it tell you. What does it tell you about their behavior if they do have a solar whether Republican or Democrat if they have solar panels on the roof roof? It tells you that they're much more likely to participate in. This is true in both the Democratic and Republican primaries as well as in general elections so we find that that households with solar panels are about ten percentage points more likely to be active political participants in elections which is a really substantial angel gap and while part of that gap can be explained by a household level demographics for instance household income. We can't explain plane all of that variation chest by these demographics and so it really does seem like the types of people who are politically active are also the types of people adopting solar and that it suggests that there is a late into a coalition of Republicans and Democrats across the country. That are already out there who who might be mobilized level is to protect the clean energy wins. That have already happened or could support a sort of a deepening of the energy transition. Just to be clear. You're not saying that the act of putting a solar solar panel on your roof makes you more likely to be politically active. You're saying that whatever it is the causes people to be politically active also Inclines them to to put solar panels on the roof is that is that right. Yeah I mean the the study that we did right now. Chest tells us that there's a close association between the two behaviors. We're going to do some follow. Follow up work right now to understand if in how the act of adopting solar may be shifting your opinions and your preferences and your attitudes over time and so I. I think that's a really interesting question that our research raises and that sort of the next step mayor Pete. We understand is surging in the in the Iowa. Polls how how would you compare his climate plan to the plans. That other candidates have put forward. It has some important differences in approach approach and to for instance the Sanders or Warren plans. But it also has a few interesting strength that Buddha judge plans really leans into that some of the other plans are more vague about it. So I think there's a few ways to contrast them so unlike the green new you deal Plans that both Sanders and Warren have really promoted that have a strong focus. On linking the problems of inequality inequality with climate reforms mayor. Buddha judge has a climate plan that is very focused on the climate crisis as a standalone issue. You and is not trying to make links between climate reforms and other types of social and economic policy making. I think that there's a lot of things that are really interesting about it. I think it has a reasonably ambitious energy. Target renewable energy target with this interim target for twenty twenty-five it has one of the more developed plans to really think creatively about what technologies we need to invest in to innovate. You know this is a plan that talks about technology. Direct air capture to actually remove carbon from the atmosphere which is quite necessary. This is also a plan that has a fully realized carbon price in it It's a proposed as a carbon price and dividend policy where Americans will receive the revenues from a carbon price back as rebates. But here's my question for you. How in the world at a time? When the Democratic voters are saying more and more more more climate change does Mir p differentiate himself from the rest of the field when his plants are considerably smaller at least dollar wise than the rest of the field? I guess I think that his plan is quite ambitious and a bunch of dimensions. I think that where where it lags behind. Some of the other candidates is it doesn't appear to have as much money for deployment. It doesn't imagine the same degree of wide-scale spending and investment in decarbonisation. And I think that that type of really aggressive spending and really aggressive government investment other candidates have argued is critical if we're going to meet the climate science targets that we need to meet and so I think that as Buddha judge rises in the polls. He's going to need to do more to communicate how his plan is responding to the scale of the climate crisis and really offering bring a solution to the climate problem that that meets the climate science where it is and provide a credible pathway to keep the global climate stable. But I do think that there's lots of interesting components that the plan and it's a serious plan. It's a window dressing plan that we've seen from from some of the other candidates and you know. I thought for a while though that the difference among the candidates on climate change isn't so much the the specific details they put in their plants but the priority that the assigned to the issue. So that you know the question in my mind has been which of these candidates is going to make climate front and center issue if he or she is elected in November twenty twenty. I think it's a really good question. And I think Eh to answer the question we also have to think about who has a realistic and practical plan for how to actually pass the type of legislation and regulations. That are GONNA be necessary. I'm having a great plan. Is One thing and another thing is who actually has the strategy necessary in the tactics necessary to to get something done. I actually put a lot of stock in who is willing to embrace a phase out of the filibuster. I think that that's not who else. Yeah well among the major ones Warren Also Montana Governor Steve Bullock is willing to do it and of the of the major candidates most are hedging or saying they'll explore it it certainly mayor. Buddha judge said that he'd be open up into thinking about it sanders has been surprisingly resistant to the idea for reasons that I don't entirely understand but I think that to pass a major climate reform package in the Senate will almost certainly require removing the filibuster. I don't think they're sixty votes. I think there could be fifty one votes and to me. That is the the first the first thing I look at in terms of. Who's being serious and who might actually get something done? That's really fascinating stuff. Professor really appreciate your coming on and discussing your work with us. My pleasure climate twenty twenty is produced in association with a year's project and his Co created by boomer division of John Marshall Media Funding provided by Excellent Company beneath believes that confronting climate change is essential to maintaining the strength and prosperity of the cities. 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