Roland Fryer, Wesley Lowry, United States discussed on Larry O'Connor


People are recognizing it, but I think you know, Unfortunately, I think many people on left when you mentioned crime, they just think it's like a right wing dog With or oh, you're just saying that because you have some kind of racist feelings. They're saying that because you wanna, you know, attacked the Democrats and To be fair. I do think that there's some people who politicized the issue, and maybe for some years they bring up Chicago just say always. Democrats are feeling in Chicago in Baltimore, but you know, they also don't have a solution for it. But the reality is this is a very real thing. It's taking extraordinary amount of lives, particularly among people who aren't wealthy enough to live in a gated community and have private security, or, you know, are in a privileged position like that. And I think a lot of people on the left. They just they so politicizes issue of policing that they really think the main problem is constraining the police. The police are out there hurting people killing people abusing people all the time. We have national Kearse oration. They don't understand that police are actually really useful tool because of increased policing. In the 19 nineties, we saw such a sharp drop in homicides that actually we somewhat closed. I think we close almost 1/5 of the gap in life expectancy Inspector see between like black men and white men right. So many people in the eighties and early nineties were being murdered. And I think that you know life is a life of the life. It doesn't matter who takes it, and the government needs to be attended to everyone's life. And the reality is that if you forced police to pull back if you force them to make less stuff, which is what happened, and very you know, I did some reporting in Baltimore 2018. I think they're stopped cutting half or something after the Freddie Gray incident, right? If you have that much less police and going on. Yes, you might have a few less abusers here and there. We're gonna be a huge increase in things like shootings and homicides and young men getting blown apart and I don't think that's worth it. You know? Do you think we should be talking about better policing Maura Council police? We shouldn't just be talking about no police or less policing. That's the one Things. This is one of the things actually you just mention I'm glad you mentioned Baltimore in the Freddy get gray riots and the impact it had on policing in Baltimore, because I know you've been covering this for a while, wasn't just Baltimore. There are other cities where this has happened where you have a high profile police involved shooting black man dies and then what ends up the happening in the wake of that is that there's so much outrage. It leads to less policing and more death. Chicago The same thing happened in a very highly publicized event in years prior, this is something We saw before 2020 before George Floyd ever occurred. And yet we did the same thing. Yeah, There's actually a Harvard professor. Real prodigy, Roland Fryer. Really, really bright guy. He did a study of I think he studied five cities. There's a high profile police incident. There are people are very angry at the police, and there is an investigation by like a state or federal authority. On. What he found is that every one of those cities in Baltimore was one of them. Ferguson, ST Louis was one of them. Chicago was one of them Everything on one of those cities. So, uh, first, a large drop in policing police start stopping a lot fewer people starving, left proactive. They would still respond to 911 calls. Someone asked him to come, but they would go out. Let's on their own right. And then they felt a huge increase in homicides. Right. Basically, what happened was paralyzed matter produced less policing, which glues produce a lot more death, but it should have produced with better policing right. Better policing. The left places are not the same thing. In fact, in many major American cities, Chicago is one of them. If you kill somebody, If you have a homicide, you have less than half a chance of being coins. But chance basically being cocked for it. Right. So a lot of people say that gamble right now going kill somebody. And then if you know the place I'm going to find the person who killed your loved one. You might go out and shoot them yourself that fuels the cycle of violence. I think that cycle of violence has been having so many neither with yes. Two years that we've been deeply thing intentionally wanted, unintentionally, and we just haven't been paying attention to it that he really believed that what we really believe that slogan of black lives matter. We have to pay attention to what's happening. What kills me about this whole thing is the lying but torrential lying around these subjects that goes on. So you mentioned that the rising crime This year. It's been pretty dramatic and in homicides across the country in major cities, we've seen a 40% increase over the previous year in homicides. That's the biggest single year increase we've had since 1960 on then when you go over to the Washington Post police shooting database, which is really the best, the best available database to sort of Kabul. This data together from various Law enforcement agencies around the country and you drill down to the number of unarmed black people. I didn't say menacing people. Both men and women on our black people killed by cops in the United States it we're told frequently that there's a genocide going on yet last year 2020 18 black people unarmed. Held by police for various reasons this year so far in 2021 44. Why is it that the press can't even begin to be honest about the context here and the scale of these things? Look, I think something fairly important has happened in journalism where I think reporters feel like they have to take a particular side on a social or political issue. You know Wesley Lowry's that The Washington Post called it moral clarity right where they Have to be making..

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