Alan Weisberg, Jesse Weber, Alan Whitesburg discussed on Len Berman and Michael Riedel in the Morning
W. O R. Well yesterday, the The indictments were unsealed against the Trump Organization and their chief financial officer, Alan Weisberg. Primarily a tax case. Uh, I have a hunch There's more to it than Apple. Let's bring in our buddy Jesse Weber. Jesse is a host on the long crime network. He's also co host of WR is always in fashion that areas tomorrow night at eight o'clock and Sunday at seven in the evening. Uh, Jesse, Welcome back. I know you read the whole indictment and the What's your take away? Well, we knew it was going to be first smoke Morning, guys. We knew it was going to be about fringe benefits kind of these paid paying import employees off the books. They weren't declaring it. I was surprised at what the charges were when I read grand larceny scheme to defraud conspiracy That's very serious. And when you add that up for Y Solberg, if you were potentially convicted across the board, that's significant prison time, and I think that was the biggest surprise for me. Now, having said that We didn't see anything in the indictment about bank fraud or insurance fraud, which we were expecting to see. Now the question becomes. Your prosecutors still have evidence of that, But they don't want to show it yet. They might have it in their back pocket, maybe against Weisberg or what I think is they really want to get trump on those charges, and they need y Silberg. Remember, they need y Silberg to build a case against Trump or his family members. Nobody cares. About Alan Weisberg. They care about the Trump family. So I think this is step one and a very big step for the prosecution. Jesse they care about the Trump family because they hate Trump. This is a witch hunt. And what is going on here is Democrats want to punish their political opponents? And I think what's fair is fair. I think Republicans should be going after progressive causes like black lives matter. I would love to know what the fundraising situation is like that black lives matter. We've got a war going on in this country and republic. Should give as good as they get. Well, I think there's a couple of things there one. I never liked the idea of using the legal system for political means. But I will say this, you're right. No one would have cared about Trump if he hadn't run for president became president. Having said that if someone breaks the law of someone commits an offense, and you're just discovering it now because they put themselves in the spotlight whether it is BLM, whether it is, uh Trump or his family. If you break the law, you break the law, How you discover it. If you're a prosecutor is that's just the way it is. It's not as if they're fabricating charges. Now they do have to prove their case. This is just step one. If it ultimately you know the job. Issenberg Trump Organization beats that. Going to be a very big day in a very big win for Trump. But having said that these charges are relatively easier to prove than other kind of charges in the past. Well, I mean, the argument is going to be that most companies do stuff like this. So where does the no they do? What is the grand larceny? Come in, Jesse. Stealing money. That's the basically I had the idea here is that and by the way, a lot of this is when you read the indictment was documented in kind of accounting spreadsheets, which again it's kind of hard to argue against. If the idea is you're paying employees, they're receiving benefits. They don't declare it. They don't pay taxes. The company doesn't pay payroll taxes on it. How do you explain that? Now? There are loopholes. There are the loopholes. There are exceptions in the fringe benefit law. It just becomes really hard to explain that away, particularly when Y cell Or didn't declare himself a New York resident. I believe until 2013 and he had been living in New York for years before then how do you explain it? I'm going to be very curious to see how they explain it. Jesse If this were any other company besides the Trump organization, do you really believe that side? Vance would have had Weisberg handcuffed when he was facing these charges? Come on. That's funny. You should say that I've gotten a lot of questions about the handcuffs. You can you are convicted. Excuse me. You are accused of a crime, whether it's a white collar crime. Whether it's a physical, violent crime. You get handcuffed. That's the proper procedure. They took the handcuffs off. He was released on his own recognizance. Passports were taken away. There was nothing that I saw that was done out of the ordinary, however. Seeing that image of the Trump organization, CFO and handcuffs walking through court. It was a very stirring image. And yes, uh, there is a part of this that the Trump organization would never have been investigated. As I said, if Trump never ran for president. Having said that we have seen other companies in the past, we didn't have a political connection that were brought down because of taxes because of These kinds of stealing money. These kinds of Ponzi schemes. No, I'm not think this a Ponzi scheme here, but these financial crimes or something that we've seen inflicted upon large companies in the past. We're speaking with Jesse Weber, Our buddy who is a host on the long crime networking, also co host with his dad. W. O R is always in fashion airs tomorrow night at eight o'clock on Sunday night at seven o'clock. Well, how typical is that I happen to think, and I'm not the lawyer. But I happen to think, uh, Weissenberger is not the big fish here. They're going to go up the food chain. Maybe hit Trump's kids eventually try to get to trump. How typical is it to come out with indictments like this that are relatively lower on the wrong and they don't reveal all their cards. Difficult. They needed something against Weissenberger. They needed something to pressure him. And at this point, remember, it's we're in July five Answer isn't leaving for several months. There are ideas. Okay, Let's get Weisberg to cooperate, and we would put more pressure on and say, Hey, we got stuff against your kid, Barry as well. Maybe he'll cooperate over the summer. Give us more information. We have that We have Trump's taxes. We could build a case against Trump and his family by the hall. That's where they're going right now. As I said they might actually have more against Weissenberger. Although I think if they had more against them, they would have really come out with it yesterday. This is significant form, and he has to decide if he wants to beat the charges if he wants to fight it, and if he wants to stay loyal to the president, because Alan Weissenberger guy who's known Trump, since 1973 has all the answers. He knows everything about the financial dealings of that family. And if you want to build a case against the former president, his family That's you go after Weisberg. Well, I mean, do you really think this guy is going to flip? He's been a loyal soldier in the trump Empire for a long, long time. Um, And you know where everything we know about the trump people is their fighters. I mean, he could fight this and and could win. Will say there's probably no one more loyal than while Silberg. Having said that the prospect of going to prison the prospect of your family getting in legal jeopardy. I don't know who is that loyal that they would turn on their own family to save someone else. Now, I'm speculating. I don't know anything about Alan Whitesburg. I just see it from the outside. As the case progresses as they look more at the evidence against them, he's going to have to make a decision. If you want to fight this does he think he can beat it? Does he think even if he gets convicted that he might not go to prison? Maybe you'll get a probation. Maybe you'll only spend a year behind bars. Is that something he can take? And maybe Trump Trump has said to him. Listen, you know, I'll support you'll support your family..