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Things that is being discussed now was okay we get will go back and look what's the parole board's role what is doing what it's not so I since it's kinda like parole exactly and it's all it's almost automatic when to serve a certain amount of your your sentence there are other things that were a real are are interesting you're not just the issue that many more people are going to be coming out of prison people who were sentenced for terrorism related crimes related to all kind of in the years after nine eleven some people sentenced to a shorter terms because for example including here the United States where they plotted to travel to the Islamic state but they didn't go today the sentences are shorter we're gonna have more people coming out of prison that we're gonna have to deal with it's also fits into this come shin between president trump and president micron on the issue of foreign terrorist fighters there's a tremendous concern in Europe certainly among the public but among politicians there for as well what happens as these people come home do we have the evidence to put them in jail even if we do how long will they serve and their sentences and then what happens to them afterwards and this is a generational question can just lock him up and throw away the key or if we think what we could but more realistically that seems like a far fetched thing to to presume exactly I'm Joshua Johnson you're listening to one a with regard to the cultural impact of this Frank I'd like you to respond to Marie who tweeted well this is one of the reasons for breaks it Britain is the final destination point for most immigrants the small island can't sustain that influx of people and the cultures coming or not immersing Frank that's interesting this mon Khan was born and raised in England and as far as we know was radicalized here so that doesn't he's a homegrown of terrorist some of the people who actually a roof snow did citizen's arrest on London Bridge at least one of them was a Polish chef so in fact it was interesting the it was an immigrant who felt that he had a civic duty to protect strangers people he didn't know in London and it was a home grown person who was the one who pulled the knives out and attacked the students at this event so I understand the nature of the question but the facts don't really fit the the question I do also understand the point Marie's make in terms of an influx of people immigration into western Europe that was one of the big issues for brexit opponents of the break the tears would say that that was just kind of a veiled way of saying that Britain has too many brown people and I think that it's more it's a cultural issue it's a it's a a nationalistic issue here there's a lot of nostalgia among many white Britons who are the vast majority the country to an earlier era but it was not about crime I think the opposition to the migration I mean immigrants here are not big criminal they don't participate anymore I think in criminal activity than others it was really more of a cultural a cultural issue and in in a number of the terror of its of terrorism attacks that I've covered it was people from from this country and that this must have an impact this mentality in terms of the way that we fight terrorism I mean there have been efforts in parts of London and Paris and Berlin and elsewhere hi to connect with immigrant communities especially communities of immigrants were Muslim and try to build bridges to try to open opportunities for people who see something to say something those have had mixed success but it seems like the fight against terror in many ways is not just a counterintelligence fight it's it gets a cross cultural fight that's exactly right you know I gives Europeans in the in the Brits hello a lot of credit for trying and failing in this regard the United States we don't have a culture of trying and failing you got your politicians of an idea they want you to show that it's proven to succeed first what I'm talking about here is is that the UK's counterterrorism policies called contest and has four components to it conveniently all starting with the letter P. prevent to pursue protect and prepare the biggest bang for our Buck is always going to be the earliest in the process that the prevent trying to do things to build resilient communities trying to do things to make sure that people feel comfortable in the communities they can access government services they have they they they can you know get into school they can get jobs and then if that fails you have the pursue protect and prepare and I think that the big question here is not so much whether these rehabilitation programs are useful in the UK they have great programs like this for people have come out of prison name great programs actually for people in prison they're great programs for people who have not yet committed a crime trying to prevent them from getting to that point the real question here is whether it was makan gained the system he said all the right things he went on the BBC and said everybody knows me I was born here I'm not a terrorist he he participated in these programs and one of the things services I'm sure looking into right now is how long was this being planned was a sudden snap some people are speculating that because his family is originally from the Kashmir region and in his original crime for which he served prison he was planning to go in and fight in question here and then maybe come back to the U. K. it was it because India difference of crackdowns in cashmere and they've they've revoked some ministry to rule there ads out of anything to do with it was to the going farther back than that the vetting process for these programs I think is going to be real question moving forward before we go Frank what's next in the NATO summit what else should we be looking out for well I think tomorrow the the big thing will be president trump in the afternoon giving a press conference and I think that people will be wanting to hear how supportive use of NATO you know former national security adviser John Bolton said it apparently a private was reported to say in a private speech that he thought that president trump might try to pull out of NATO if you want a second term so people be watching trump very closely to see how much support he offers to this military alliance that's NPR's Franklin fit in London Frank thanks for talking to us happy to do it Joshua and Matt Levitt a senior fellow and director at the Reinhard program on counterterrorism intelligence at the Washington institute for Near East policy thank you Matt the pleasure coming up you might have heard that catastrophic wildfires in Australia have made call wall is a functionally extinct species the truth is a.

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