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Yeah that's kind of the Arbor religion may be so history and I also think it is worth saying. I guess a reason to think of it as a agenda is that it's one with light some unique yet. Yeah I guess social roles that is specific to yeah. Yeah I guess. That's kind of a reasonable. I often conceptualized Genuinely deficits we've done. I think trying to throw where the boundaries of. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah it is a question that's worth asking that no one some lake idiot. You're off the negative halley barbecue. Like how many genders. All the attack helicopters whatever KNOSSOS come up with a sentence of this kind of worth saying like when setting people as you know. Is it accurate useful to say. These people had more than two gender roles. You gets to decide when that like quote unquote quite third. Gender role exists like this is like how many gender roles does society have. Yeah that's true. You could argue that society has is to tutoring exists. When when do you say that was billing canonized enough into yeah yes exist? Yeah obviously this me too absolutely. Yeah but like I got assigned. Yeah I guess in like society has sort of you know to Jambos up all recognize but even within that like there are different types of women which are socially acceptable and some which are. Yeah yeah like there are kinds of career. Woman that are acceptable at times. Aunt and that kind of thing we as a society grade all types like if you are a career woman or your aura. Stay at home mom as two very different roles but the the same gender your Gender Feminine Generals. Yeah yeah whereas like talking abaout Say Crow People. You could argue that boss. Hey and women are two different Feminine Gender Roles. Yeah which would make sense. Yeah but you could also conceptualized naturalized them as two types of woman able do sometimes about women. 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