Asia, Tashkent, Secretary Rumsfeld discussed on John Batchelor


I'm very pleased to speak in general of the conference with someone who is a veteran of attending without actually being an entrepreneur, who comes from central Asia, introduced enders wimbush of stratovarius. He has observed camc over many years. He's also been in and out of Tashkent since the dark days of the nineteen seventies, which was a crisis for the first Cold War, and we will speak of these matters. In addition to the geo-strategy of. The reason region. And there's a very good evening to. And thank you for joining me. First comic itself because you've attended many of these, and I've just discovered the matter, I find it exciting and dizzying because they're young people from states, I could only find on a map once upon a time and their embellishes and they're networking. What is your experience of Camco over the years? How does it function in these in these different cultures reawakening from the Soviet creature? Good evening to you. Thank you, John. Good evening to you. Let, let me say first that the camp experience experience the experiment is probably one of the lesser known things of secretary Rumsfeld. So I gue- see, but I would argue it's one of the most important secretary Rumsfeld. Gained particular affection for this region when he was the secretary of defense, the second time around. And working with them during the time of the, the Afghan war, and he realized how important this region was going to be to future strategy future. American thinking on the way the world is shaping. And so he set out looking for ways to, to help the shaping and he realized that the future was the own people and not just young people who are going to go into government, but particularly young entrepreneurs. And so he established Komkova fellowship. I have been working with the fellowship almost from the beginning. I'm one of the people that sees, I think every class of fellows, who comes through Washington. And we talked your politics. We talk business. We do all kinds of, of other things. Secretary Rumsfeld opens his Rolodex for these young men and women who get an experience of a lifetime around the United States meeting with. Some of our most distinguished elites and business leaders and government leaders and, and cultural and artistic leaders, they leave the United States one with a great appreciation of what the American experience, can teach them. And to a new network. Which, as you can see around your seen it in the last couple of days is robust active formidable and productive Concha stands for central Asia. Mongolia caucuses, and I've ghanistan consider the map, I am ten thousand kilometers for my studio. However, once you're here, you recognize that the geography is profound to the east are Kirghistan, touchy dominated by very high mountains. None of which have been climbed. I mentioned to the adventures listening to us, and all of the hiking trails are free of trash and ready for you to the south of Afghanistan deeply troubled, but at the same time, sending a young people to Cam cod, met several of them looking for a future for their country to the north is Kazakhstan, which is vast place of resources and very few people compared to his Becca STAN, and to the east are the mysteries of Turkmenistan. They're different. Tribes. They're different people different traditions. But Cam cub brings them all together for the future. I wanna make a note here ambers, because what I've learned is that there. Thanks, Fred star. This is a rich civilization. We were not taught in my twentieth, century education, and I'm going to presume yours as well about twenty five hundred years ago when these city states created a culture and art and science and philosophy and poetry, that was a dominant and raven by Alexander the great and raided by the Tangs and rated by the Persians. Okay. No time for that. Because we're gonna come right to Tashkent embers. You've been here since the nineteen seventies, I promised, myself, you're going to shock me to tell me how it's transformed because what I see today are building Craig's, keeping the building slow because this is quake zone, lots of Chevrolet cars, because there's a plant here and they're open for business. What was it like in the nineteen seventies? I made my first trip here, John in one thousand nine hundred seventy five or I, where I spent two months here, I was a Fulbright fellow at Moscow university, and I was given a two-month pass to come to Tosh can't the Moscow. Authorities didn't want to give me this pass, and they tried to take it back several times, but they failed and because of the way the Soviet system worked everything broke down. I traveled to touch Kent, and I was here without supervision for two months. So I had a chance to walk all over the place tasha canton. One thousand nine hundred seventy five early nineteen seventy six was certainly not the city that you see today, it had recently survived the nineteen sixty six earthquake, which was a massive thing that reduced almost all of the old city and burned to the ground. It was recovering from that. And it had all of the all of the architecture, refinements shall we say of a typical Soviet city awful apartment blocks restaurants that were dirty. And not particularly interesting. But the culture the culture, which was so enticing, so attractive. So a learning was here. I spent most of my time walking the dirt streets. Most of them were dirt. There were the main streets were paved. But if you went in off the main drag into the into the courtyards of the old city, it was all dirt. It looked like you were in, in your condo, or, or cash car, or one of the old of central Asian cities, the markets were full of. Old men and old women and young men and young women with donkey carts and wearing the most gorgeous national dress everywhere. It looked like a scene out of the late nineteen mid nineteenth century central Asia. It was McCartney and cash. Gar, that's what it looked like. And you mentioned the depth and the power of the civilization twenty five hundred years ago. It's really important to underline this because com central Asia, Caucasus Mongolia, this, this whole region is really of one civilizational piece Mongolia's, a little bit on the on the edges of this. Turkic or Taiji that means it's either Turkic or Persian all the way across personate from the west Turkic from the east Turkey, once in a, while the Tang dynasty shows up and then about seven hundred about the eighth century, the Arab show up, but they don't stay for a while. They keep coming back all blended together all together the image. I think most Americans have of this of this region is the is the is the Soviet image, the post-soviet image. It's those are the stands, and that's all they think of them as the stands, what they what they don't see and what they need to see is all the connective tissue that holds these five six seven eight new states together common history, common language and culture, common SPA, shins common interests. And those are the things which Comcast is established try to bring to the surface and develop a new elite. That can actually make those connections into reality. I mentioned ironically Emmers because we're going through this conversation at home. They also share their understanding that whatever socialism is we're not going back. We're not going back there. I mean, the, the, the experience out here as in most places that have experienced socialism of, especially of the kind that the, the Russians were prepared to push in all these directions is not something they're ever going back to nobody wants to be a represents, deprivation and fear. We're talking about Tashkent, and it was back STAN, which is the most populous of these states, a more than thirty three million people. Meaning prosperity is right in front of it. That's babies bring your money. That's what it breaks you the other states understand that. And these they're not feeling divided by their borders. Now, they're feeling that there is in common purpose in collective action wealth, not just the silk road. But the creativity that was here once twenty five hundred years ago. So I'm speaking to embers wimbush. He's very generous to give me a history of calm, cut the same time spec, but we're going to speak to. The region and its place in the Eurasia and the world island of your Asia, and what it means to the United States today for the Trump administration. Enders wimbush is a partner in stratovarius Inc, which is headquartered in Grand Rapids, a beautiful city in northern Michigan. We are at the camp conference, thanks to the rumps foundation, the central Asia caucuses institute. Also I am here. Thanks to scholar dot com. Sponsorship, we are on Sunday could be San Diego, except for San Diego. Doesn't have whether this good. And we're going to speak of geo-strategy come back. I'm John bachelor. Baseball is a game of surprises because they are hitting a round ball with a round back.

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