Vice President Pence Mike Pompeo, United States, President Trump discussed on The Daily

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We started this conversation would you saying that a series of predictions had come true and talking to it's clear that they didn't just come through they came through faster time that he had this phone call with Erdo on and just disregarded them basically decided that the outcomes wouldn't matter that much four if he genuinely thought the predictions were just wrong and that there'd be a different set of outcomes in each of these cases it's hard to know but certainly he word the predictions and he didn't just hear them in the past few weeks this was exactly the debate that took place in the White House last December when the president somewhat impetuously said we're pulling all our troops out of Syria and you'll remember that this is when General Mattis resigned as defense secretary right you'll remember this is when the joint chiefs came and said Sir you can't do this right so why did he do this Michael I think goes to a conflation in his mind between the concept of endless war phrase years as a lot a phrase he uses all the time in the Middle East and the concept of keeping a small number of essentially peacekeepers to keep bad forces in the bottle and the conflation here is particularly damaging we have a lot of places in the World Michael we're we keep troops or largely to keep the peace it's the reason we've got thousands along the border South Korea to keep the north from coming it's the reason that we keep troops in Japan to put at least some parameters around the Chinese it's the reason we still have troops in Germany and elsewhere in Europe to be able to contain Putin's aggressions elsewhere the concept is you keep Americans at strategic places around the world as a preventative for conflict in the end it costs you a whole lot less to keep a small force that prevents conflicts from erupting then to have to send in a big force and act after a huge terror attack some kind of calamity hitting an American ally but David would that mean keeping some kind of American force there in perpetuity basically forever well it might I don't think that's what anybody had in mind for the Turkish Syrian border but if you were gonNA pull them out you pull them out slowly in a coordinated way that does not allow the Russians and Bouchara Saad to fill the vacuum that doesn't benefit the Iranians and that you get something in return for the slow pullout it's not an endless war it's a persistent presence that enables you'd act hit as the world's policeman and that simply is not Donald Trump's vision of American power so you're saying that he was not unaware you're of all of these potential outcomes he in fact it sounds like because there was a debate in the White House was very aware of them he simply instead he just prioritized the return of US troops his vision of American foreign policy above any of those predictable not gic shifts human costs and the empowering of our enemies in the trump administration humanitarian intervention shen and peacekeeping is not what America I is all about but the cumulative impact of every outcome that we talked about in this conversation David feels like it has been bad for the United States in this moment so unless you believe that bringing being home. US troops is the highest possible value that it's the most important thing to do in a situation like this then it's hard to understand a decision that was made it's almost impossible to and you know Michael it's hard defined almost anyone in Washington other than the president Vice President Pence Mike Pompeo the national security adviser Robert O'Brien who will defend this decision this was a case where we had a system that was working we had a essentially an American protectorate going on in these Kurdish areas we were doing it at low cost and nearly zero casualties and in one week we undead what was essentially seven years of effort to try to make this work thank you David thank you.

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