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Ironic thing was to find a publisher. We were. That was new to me I'd worked in a writer and whatnot as part of my career and college athletics. But I distinctly. Remember calling fella that that was at one of the Philadelphia papers. I worked in Philadelphia for a while that I knew that had had a couple books published and I said, I said, hey, how did you find your publisher? And he said, well, what's the book? I told him a little about it. And he said, oh, he says sounds like a great topic. Really interesting. He goes, nobody's going to publish it. No one's going to read it like what he goes, dad. There's nobody around and eighty year old people don't buy books, but we thank goodness found a publisher McFarland. That was the takes a lot of this kind of stuff. And the response has been just the opposite of what he said we have gotten tons of great response. Thank goodness. After you know, you're coming down the stretch of six or seven year project, and somebody tells you no one's going to print it. And no one's gonna read it. You know, my heart. Song, but it did you printed? And again, we have been, you know, going around various libraries talion American clubs, you know, whatever all kinds of different speaking engagements, and and get great feedback. Well, look and also it also does have some connection to current sports Linnea trading. We're big fans of sort of the the the used to be here on this this little show, and you consider yourself a I guess now in Los Angeles Rams fan. Right. I mean, you know, how many people want to trace it back. But you know, the Cleveland Rams, you know, where the were you know, without them. You wouldn't have any Los Angeles or Saint Louis or Los Angeles again or Saint Louis rans and the Indians, of course. Right. You know, one of the legacy teams dating all the way back to the origination. Of the American League, right? You know, didn't just Cup one day and start playing the Jake or what is right and nationally ball before that was at league park spiders who. Had a special show on just on them in the past. So so so let's let's start with this because this league park, right? Was essentially built for them. I will say exclusively. But but with them right now it was exclusively for them. Frank Rogerson was the owner of the team. He also owned streetcar lines in the city. You know, they were not public transportation is just that today. It's public in those days. It was private privately owned lines. They paid for the rights to to build streetcar lines on the city streets. So Rogerson owned the team, and he owns some streetcar lines and the ballpark eighty had. I believe it was at fortieth in pain wasn't very good. I think there was a tree and deep dead center field, and you know, was goofy park and didn't really work, and he spied some land a little further east, which at that time. You know, was you know? Not packed with homes or whatnot yet, and he picked up a block of land. And that's pretty much outta footprint of these ballparks in those days came to be and so he did pick one out wisely that happened to be where his streetcar lines intersected. So not only would he get your nickel when you forget there. But then he would get you to buy ticket as well. So he got you. I if you could literally say coming going. Well, that's the that's especially because you know, we we also try to look for some themes here and the intersection between professional sports and real estate right is absolutely. A Majorcan Centric configuration because you look at say what's going on with Major League Soccer right now. Right in the must have soccer specific stadiums. As part of the mix, and what the Atlanta Braves have done by basically moving out of the heart of the city into the suburbs. And basically, you know plopping their their ball field. Literally in the midst of a a mixed use development of of office buildings and restaurants and fem- kind of situations and stuff so in some respects, this is almost a, you know, a glimpse frankly of the the the necessary or the the dual relationship between that of real estate and the pro sports team, and in this kind of fashion. Well, and and you know in Cleveland again league park. Ties into what set the stage for? Municipal investment into teams beginning with Cleveland municipal stadium on the lake front in the early nineteen thirties. And so that that that story of league park and initial stadium built in thirty one the Indians only park the city invested first time that ever happened that the city invested in a ballpark and said we're gonna build this and the team's gonna come here. Well as soon as they finished the ballpark. The didn't move in the middle of the nineteen thirty one season, they said, well, we only park why are we gonna pay you rent and play down there? So it took them year to come to an agreement to get the Indians to move down to the lake front. Middle of thirty two. They played the rest of that season and had at least the playoff thirty three at the end of the thirty three season. The Indian said we've had three crowds here in a year and a half that wouldn't have fit into league park. So they said we're going back and they moved back to league park, which was still there and still in pretty good shape. Fact, they invested money in it. You know, added some seats and and painted everything up and in nineteen thirty four the Indians were back at league bark. So that whole thing though, that happened set the stage for what you're talking about not only real estate but cities investing to get teams. And the struggle that went on in Cleveland from the thirties early thirties until nineteen forty seven is an amazing story and itself before they finally took all the games to Cleveland state. It's interesting are before we get to that sort of that back and forth. Let's let's delve into the spider's for second. Because the original park was was made of wood has most most. Of the stadiums were at that time in the late eighteen hundreds right? We don't to go through the entire history of the spiders, but pretty interesting club, especially in their last season in eighteen ninety nine maybe it can kind of describe a little bit of a sort of the futility of that. But but maybe house successful or maybe then ultimately, not

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