Listen: Barbara, Time Magazine, Yale discussed on Oprah's SuperSoul Conversations
"She's an episcopal priest who was named one of time magazine's one hundred most influential people in two thousand fourteen. She holds a masters of divinity from Yale and has written thirteen thought provoking books on spirituality. Barbara spent fifteen years as a parish minister, five of them as the head priest for thriving congregation. When she made the decision to walk away from the pulpit. She says it opened her up to explore life's big questions. She wrote about the life altering. Experience in her critically acclaimed memoir, leaving church, a lifelong spiritual seeker. Barbara is now a college religion professor who looks for the sacred in the most unexpected places hurt book learning to walk the dark challenges, believers and non-believers alike to probe the shadows of our lives and to embrace darkness in all its forms. So you wrote a book about leaving the church and your book is really about learning to walk in the dark, which really struck me as fascinating because so many of us fear the dark and not only do we fear the dark. You say we live a solar spirituality. Tell tell me what you mean by that solar spirituality from his shorthand for any kind of religious faith Christian or otherwise, that teaches me to stay in the light and flee from darkness of every kind. And it doesn't really define that for me. Emotional darkness. The Illogical allow. darkness, physical darkness. What kinda we talking about before solar spirituality wants me to ignore the dark places in my life, get out of them as fast as I can and and to avoid them if possible. So I thought, you know, until I read this book, this is why this is so fascinating super soldiers that we, we're still evolving and growing in our knowledge of our spiritual cells. And this book introduced me to another way of being with the dark because I'm one of those people who is feared the dark, the dark side darkness don't let it get too dark, come into Ford, dark. And every aspect of that, particularly emotional darkness you wanna run from it. Instead, you say you are espousing that we embrace it. That's why learning to walk in the dark is is the title that we embrace the darkness. The concept is half your life, whether it's day night or your emotional life. But it seems to me, I have spent a lot more energy trying to manage and avoid that time than I have wondering what might be there for me. My shorthand is, I think, probably the places I least want to go are the are the richest places for me the richest treasures hidden there. So you're saying that this whole really obsession that we have with being in the light, I call all of the owners, the carriers of the light. What I want to do with us network has dropped pieces of light into people's light because I don't want to bring darkness, but you're saying we should embrace it. Why? I think in some ways you're not gonna have a long conversation about what we mean by light and dark. What do we put in those folders? Okay. It's just when I examined my experiences a human being. It's a lot of the places I would. Call the places of unknowing if you say, what do you mean by dark place? A place of unknowing, either one I entered voluntarily. I traveled to another country. I became a parent. I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to be in Beijing. I don't know how to be a mother involuntarily. My doctor calls me and says, are you sitting down? I have some bad news for you or my father dies involved divorce, or your kids get into trouble all these unknowing that we get plunged into and because we don't know what we're doing.."