United States, Cocaine, CIA discussed on All of It


In the film, We hear one of your subjects talk about the trauma of poverty. And how that drives people to the escapism of drugs. How much did the need to escape the realities of poverty fuel the use of crack. I think that one of the things that we have a hard time talking about in the United States. Is that drugs at least temporarily make you feel good? Right? And so you know, we talked about the evil of drugs We talked about just saying No, But, you know, just say no is really hard. For something that makes you feel good if you've got a dead end job, And if something is if a drug is being sold, you know, right outside your house, you know for $5. Um, it's hard for people took to resist, and I think you know what? That's one of the points that we wanted to make, because it's so hard for us to really talk realistically about. You know why people use drugs that it's not a moral failure. You know, it's not a moral failure using drugs, especially when they're so available for cheap. Let's take a listen to one of the people to the subject that you interview in your film, Mitch, cradle of former homicide Detective and Corey Pegasus, Peggy something of saying his name right, a former dealer talking about the time and what it meant to survive. Mid urban decay in the city's Let's take a listen We didn't have money, So a lot of time we were home ourselves the kids, so we always go to the corner store and steal. We'll go to the safe way to earn money by carrying people groceries home. Sometimes we will walk with someone carrying that grocery home. We run off with the bags. We were just but a lot of was just about survival. Sometimes I had to wear my sister's changed handing down jeans, You know, Sis classic picture of me in the fifth grade. I'm sitting Indian style in the front before the boys but everybody hands on their laps and minds is on my two shoes because I had holes in my shoes. Sometimes we don't have lights, guys, You know, we have Roaches in the House mice. It was pretty bad. When crack comes into the community, Stanley there's this influx of money to these poverty stricken areas. How did the economics of crack change the local economics of the neighborhoods? Yeah. I mean, the sale of crap was very different from the fill of heroin. You know, it was not controlled by organized crime. So all a young guy had to do was you know by, um some weight of cocaine, an ounce of cocaine, Cook it up. Put it in virals, and he and his boys or girls could go out on on the street and sell crack with impunity. Then buy some more cocaine and cook it up and become a slowly you know, kind of many kingpins, you know of their neighborhoods of the block of the projects. And some of the deal is that we talked to, you know, really laid out and and talk about. That s so it was very, very different and it was easy. It was easy game to get into it again. You know, Central to this was no policing. On by the dealers felt safe, at least at first. That was my next question. Where were the police and all of this? They weren't there is no I mean, they were not. They were not patrolling the neighborhood. They kind of let it let it go on. Um, one of the dealers that we interviewed talks about how you know he was busted with a bag of crack miles, you know, with cracking the man and the cops. You know, gave it back to him. And and, you know, he runs tol his boss and the boss is, you know? Well, you know, we're paying him off. You know, Of course, they gave it back to get out there and sell some more crack, You know, Um, And that was the sense that the dealers and the user's head was that it was. It was a free for all you know again, anybody that that was around in certain parts of New York at that time? You know, they can testified to the fact that you didn't have to be sure. Like Holmes Toe find you know the crack dealers. You don't have to have to be a great detective. You know who was selling cracking way they were selling it. My guess is Stanley Nails Nelson, the name of his new documentary on Netflix. It's called Crack cocaine, corruption and conspiracy. Let's talk about you mentioned it earlier. The just say no campaign. This was part of the Reagan administration's big push anti drug push, Miss Cradle the former homicide detective. You talked to called it quote hypocritical. And that's because while Nancy Reagan has stepped into this role is this anti drug crusader her husband's administration was turning a blind eye to drug smuggling because the smugglers were using their profits to fight the Communist regime that had taken hold in South America. Can you walk us through the geopolitics of this? Yeah, It's kind of a very complicated story, but but you know, they The Reagan administration wanted to support the Iran Contras in Nicaragua, anti communists and, um, the Congress said No. You know, we were not gonna fund that anymore. So they were looking around. For ways T O funnel money to the Contras, and they decided that sell weapons to Iran and then take the money that they saw the weapons to from and fly it to Nicaragua. And then the Nicaraguans, many of them who were flying weapons around back and forth. You know, they were like, Well, we got these planes in Nicaragua and we got to go back to the United States, Um, to get some more weapons, So why don't we love the planes up with Coke? And whether you know whether the CIA and United States government actually helped them load the planes up with Coke or whether they just turn their backs and didn't care. Um you know is in dispute, but definitely Um, the United States government knew what was going on. Iran Contra broke in the late eighties, its role in the crack Ecob. It didn't really break until 1996 when journalist Gary Webb, who's in your film, published a series of stories, tying the Contras to a drug ring in L. A. Play a clip. This is California Congressman Maxine Waters in 1998 charting out the supply line from the Contras to dealers in south central L. A. Vanessa's was well known by the CIA. The D E. A. The D A. And everybody in the United States as a drug dealer who was supplying to millio bland Joan, who was supplying Ricky Ross. How he stayed in the United States all of those years being known from 1974 selling drugs that ended up helping to support the Contras and nobody, but nobody knew it is absolutely amazing. Manassas was never arrested by the U. S enforcement. He was permitted for interest again to the United States and even issued a visa. How was this allowed? And why wasn't allowed to continue the CIA and D E a records of full of knowledge about Vanessa's drug dealing operation? This knowledge was substantiated and this report Even this report the CIA knew of his drug trafficking. By 1984 and the D. E. A had known if it's trafficking activities, his earliest 1974. How aware were these local kingpin's? He's local drug dealers that they were part of a bigger story. I think I think you know people like Rick Ross, who was a real kingpin, You know who was involved in smuggling cocaine and you're buying it directly from Nicaraguans. I knew it. You know, he says in the film, you know, I got the vast majority of my drug from Nicaraguan from from Nick Nicaragua. So you know, I think that they understood that the drugs were getting here..

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