Of those rules to make healing more accessible for our people. Yeah, the three rules don't talk, don't trust, don't feel. It seems like communication or maybe lack thereof is that the root of a lot of these issues and I'm curious. Should native families be talking about this stuff? And if so, how? Yeah. We can talk about it in this normalized like it's okay. Like I always say, if you defend from a native person, well, I always say, I descend from miracle survivors of genocide, right? Like that's how that's how amazing the people were that I descend from. And that amazingness is still inside of me, right? So if we descend from miracle survivors of genocide, like 100% of us have historical trauma in our histories, right? 100% because of everything that has happened. So that means that all of us are impacted by it, right? So that kind of like, oh wow, I'm not alone, right? So that's super important to realize that we're not alone. And then the conversation is about providing opportunities for healing even in our own families. So like my family right now, we had a really rough year and my children's dad passed away in May, and then my mom passed away in September of last year. So we're doing our own collective healing and collective grieving, right, and making it okay if we don't want to celebrate the holidays. It's okay. You know, if we don't want to do something like, it's okay, and we're sticking together as a family and we're doing things together as a family cooking for my dad and being together physically spending weekends going away camping on a weekend or whatever things like that. So we're not perfect. We're not doing that perfect because each generation we learn how to do things a little bit better, right? And that's one of our teachings as well is every day we try to be a better person than we were the day before. So really also having that grace with our own selves about not beating ourselves up when we don't do something right or we do something wrong is this we take that deep breath and we just keep moving forward, right? Like that is one of the tribal communities in urban communities that I have been to one of the foundational teachings is that we keep moving forward. Yeah, yeah. Condolences to the losses in your family over the last year. Again, I'm starting to hear that. Let's bring shailene into the conversation now. Shailene, how important is it for young people to have leaders who are about their same age when dealing with these generational trauma issues? Yeah, great question. I think it's really important because generationally, we have access to whether it's different mentors or different tools that we have learned. We have the Internet. We're in a generation of social media. And so so much is being thrown at us at all times. And it's different than generations prior to us. And so when we have a group of people who can understand similar things that we're going through, it kind of creates a better space of understanding. We have like minded experiences maybe. But it's important to really understand the importance of the spaces that we create for one another. As well as the energy that we bring to a space, right? I love what doctor Gibson and Keanu and Savannah have been talking about they're all very important tools. And no matter the generation that we come from or the similarities or differences when it comes to our trauma, that there's always time and space that we can create ourselves to have these conversations to bring about our own awareness and also share the tools that we've learned. So many of us have gained different tools of healing from our own lived experiences. And that's a part of our work is that these are not rules that I have been very thankful to learn and privilege to learn. It's now my opportunity to share those things and give those things away. So I think when it comes to generational healing, we all have our own historical and intergenerational trauma that could differ depending on where we're located and the different histories. But also the compounding contemporary trauma. What are the things that we're going through now and how can we continue to heal those historical traumas, but also the contemporary ones and build a foundation together to move forward in abundance and with the support system that we have the power to create. Thanks for sharing those thoughts, shailene. Folks, do you have a question or comment? Please give us a call. You know the number, one 809 9 6 two 8 four 8 I'll repeat it just in case you forgot. We'll be back right after the break. Are you a Native American healthcare provider, recovery counselor, social worker, domestic and sexual abuse advocate or traditional healer working in Native American communities? 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And I'm curious if you feel that young people today are better positioned when dealing with generational trauma as opposed to maybe previous generations. What's your thought on that? Yeah, definitely. I think the. Stigma of mental health, right? Nobody wants to be the person who, like, something is wrong with them. But I think the shift is happening in that mental health is just like anything else. If we want to take care of our physical health or our emotional health or the things that we're eating, our bodies, whatever it may be, mental health is just another aspect of that. And you kind of see this transition of it's more accessible to talk about. It's a little bit more okay. I'm watching these young youth that I'm working with. Truly check in. And really talk about.