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Good luck for money on the hour and Keohane news radio right now, on Colorado's morning News House impeachment managers wrapping up their prosecution of former President Donald Trump yesterday with more video of the January 6 the riots. By attacking the defenses. The defense's argument of Trump already being out of office in his First Amendment rights, that defense of the former president actually begins today. So how's the former president likely following all of this? And what's next for him? ABC News chief White House correspondent author of Front Row with the Trump show Jonathan Karl is here with that. Good morning and good to have you back. Hey, thank you for having me based on your coverage of his presidency. What does this all mean for Trump? Do you think and for his legacy and for his future in politics? Well, I think that they can You break it down into two questions here. One is at what effect will have on the on the actual vote counting. I mean, it was a powerful, searing presentation definitively laid out what happened on that day. What Donald Trump did Leading up to that day and what he failed to do to stop the riot from from happening. It's damning. It's searing, but I don't think it effects anything in terms of the vote. You have 44 Republican senators. Who voted twice even before this trial started to the end and the trial so it doesn't affect that But your question gets out. What? What does it mean for Donald Trump? What does it mean for his political future for his role in the party for how he'll be remembered in history, and I think I think that this will be a defining moment for for him and for the way he is viewed And it is quite damning and in a way, much more profound than what may happen in terms of a final vote in this trial, this was a definitive timeline of events. That definitive historic record of what went down. As you say It's a foregone conclusion that he won't be if you want to say found guilty in this process, but also I've heard other people say this gets those Republicans who don't vote for this on the record to show that basically, even if they don't agree with the process in the realities of the impeachment based on the coast. Detention allergy. They're getting on the record to show that they to some degree are saying it's okay. What happened to the capital just because of the processes of it, so getting them on the record, they say, maybe damning as well. For those Republicans who vote well, it poses a real dilemma for for these Republicans. If don't believe it's constitutional. That's a legitimate argument. I mean, you know, frankly, the record is mixed on that I mean that that the Constitution Is not crystal clear. You could make compelling arguments on both sides. I truly believe. But then, if you decide that you can't convict him because it's not constitutional, The question is, what are you going to do to show that you disapprove? You condemn what he did and how he behaved and you know that's where this question of center comes up, and I don't see any movement towards that. So the question I am asking over the next couple of days of these Republicans is OK, You're going to vote not guilty because you don't think it's constitutional. Then what are you going to do anything? Get on record. This was unacceptable, and I think that's I think that's a big question that will haunt the party for for years to come. Let's talk about Donald Trump's political future. Those conservatives who are maybe more in the middle, probably won't support him again. But what about those to the far right? Doesn't this process make trump even more of a martyr? And isn't that dangerous? It is, and that's a real that's a real effect here, and you do. You do see that? You know the case that you see some of his fervent supporters say is look, they were out to get him before he got elected. They were out to get him during the entire four years of his presidency, and now they're still out to get him even after he's out of the White House, and there is a martyr effect. There is a rallying around trump effect, and there is no question that there is a Fervent base of support for Donald Trump. Even after all of this, that it was, the fervency will not will not be diminished at all. Maybe increased his results of this, but it's you know, it's not a majority of the country and it is right now. Probably a majority of the Republican Rank and file base. Um, but the question is, what do the leaders in this party do? Did they try to move the party in a different direction? Because it's not. It's not something that's gonna that's gonna be a winning message. NATIONAL. The president's been neutered because he's not on Twitter. But if he weren't had the ability to tweet with the mood of what's going on with the trial and just the atmosphere of all, would it be different? Well, it probably helps him that he can't tweet because Right now. He's got it baked in 44. Senators not gonna vote to convict him. If he started tweeting, you could see him, you know, shooting himself in the foot like he often did during his presidency with his tweets. Be honest. Do you miss him? I don't know if that's quite the weight. Oh, say it, but but I do. Look forward to talking to him again. I'm working on a second book, so I I hope to take it down there and And actually talk to him about what's going through his mind right now, Jonathan Karl. And Of course, his first book is front row at the Trump shown. Of course, you know him from ABC News. He's the chief White House correspondent was always Jonathan. Thanks so much for your time. Great. Thank you. We've also got Dan Abrams, legal analyst for ABC coming on later on this morning. Yeah, I look forward to having the discussion time watching him quite closely. Yesterday with some of his analysis. 5 29 here in Colorado's morning used the newscast moments away the Dr John Morrissey early Friday morning..

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