FBI, Jeff, Michael Flynn discussed on Jeff Katz



Gallian is a retired supervisory special agent with the FBI. You see him as a major major law enforcement analyst on CNN. He is working on his PhD he is I believe an adjunct professor, and he knows stuff like you just wouldn't believe. And I'm just thrilled. He's making some time for his Jimmy. Thank you for being here, sir. Jeff. Always good to join you. And I love When you talk about the Richmond squirrels. They were the Triple A Richmond Braves back when I was a huge fan of that team, and any time you mix that in with politics and pints, what could possibly go wrong discussing politics and a couple of cocktails? Nothing can go sideways. There It is back in tow, and, well, I'm uh, I'm putting together my nickels from the kid's piggy banks right now, in case anybody needs bail, so I think we'll be all right. Hey, you bring. In addition, this amazing law enforcement background you brings the background of somebody who graduated from West Point served in the United States Army before we get into the details of the case, Can you give me your gut check thoughts on General Michael Flynn. So you know, Jeff hey, was a guy who for the longest mean had a distinguished career in the United States. Military was retired Lieutenant general and obviously in the Intel community meat served in a number of positions in the Obama administration, And obviously he, um, he left the Obama administration and became sort of a political surjit for President Trump when he was a candidate for the presidency and then was tapped for a very brief period of time as President Trump's national security advisor and obviously is your listeners who are are stupid and follow these type of things. When the Russian collusion case which the FBI had had named Crossfire, Hurricane um you know, went underway. General Flynn got ensnared in that and, uh, you have me on to talk to you about today. My position on this case, Jeff has let's just put it politely. Has someone evolved from our initial conversations on this one brother. All right, so as we get into the FBI's involvement, the latest Piece of information that seems to be of interest to a lot of people. Well, with the exception of Judge Sullivan, it seems to be of interest to a lot of people is a missing three old too. Can you explain to everybody what a 302 is? Sure. So the so the actual term, you know that the you know the FBI. We love acronyms, right? We use them for everything in the government. And so an FD thrill to it stands for federal document three or two. And that essentially is a testimonial document. So if an FBI agent is doing something administratively, they would type up a memo. Where or, you know, send a you know, letterhead Memorandum to the file or, you know, there are number of different, you know vehicles that that an FBI agent can use to post things to a file, however. Anything that's discoverable. Everything. Anything that's possibly testimonial in nature, meaning relating to something that may be used in a court of law goes on to a 302. Generally speaking two agents will participate in this when it involves an interview of Ah suspect or a subject or a witness. Um, and then they'll both sign it. It has to be uploaded to the file within a minimum of five business days. So if you conduct the interview on a Monday it has to be uploaded to the file on Friday. Jeff at the tail end of my career. I retired in 2000 and 16. Everything became digitized. So you know, instead of typing it up and having to physically post a document to the file, it would be uploaded onto a computer. And then the notes related to that spy would be put into what we call one a envelope. And I know I'm getting a little wonky here. But then that would be attached to the file itself. So what you're referencing is the fact that the original Michael Flynn interview that was conducted by and this is a name that's gonna be You know, fairly ubiquitous to your audience. Thean famous Peter struck, who was the deputy assistant director, FBI headquarters of the time and another agent by the name of Joe P. M. Cosas, supervisor headquarters. They went to visit General Flynn at the White House about four days after the transition from the Obama administration to the Trump administration. Andy McCabe, who's the deputy director of the time and advised the general, No worries. You don't need to have an attorney with you, You know, no words. We just want to ask you. Some questions were confused about something that's going on with Russian meddling in the election. General invited them in. The agents, then conducted an interview. Those interviews, thoughts went on to some notes that agent P M corrode up and then the original 30 to the original document, Jeff was somehow lost. Okay? No, Jimmy, I I understand the vast bureaucracy that is the FBI and the Department of Justice. But it would seem to me as a a non Career agent That would probably be something you want to hang on to write. Left. We're not talking about a violation of some minor case involving the migratory Third Act we're talking about. The seminal case that was targeting. I mean, obviously the Kremlin but a presidential campaign for this document to be lost, and the only thing that exists of it now are the Written notes, which were put into a one a envelope and then a follow up documenting three or two, which was an interview of Deputy assistant director Peter Struck at the time and his recollections of what Took place during the interview. Now the thing you and I talked about before that it's so unsettling and unseemly. That's the right word is the fact that Peter struck, who was involved in an extramarital affair with With Lisa Paige, a Department of Justice attorney. At the time she worked directly for the deputy director. They were editing that 302 after the fact..

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