Chicago, Jason Van Dyke, Officer discussed on The Download with Justin Kaufmann
News was out in the field covering the protests. But also talking to Chicagoans all over the city Domanski. What that what we just heard right there was that pretty much a sentiment that that you were able to get today on the street, the more sentimental thousand more sentimental consensus. I didn't most people. I heard didn't empathize as much with Dyson Van Dyke that was at thirty fifth and Redline and Mexican American woman who said listen, given my background I can understand how tense the ratio ramifications of this whole thing. She was the first to bring up Jason Van Dyke daughter extra after that that question of, you know, his daughter's been been threatened causing to be late this morning that whole thing. And she said, yeah, more lives are ruined. But when I'm really concerned about is how the community will react, and she was actually looking at the trial on her phone when I approached her. But yeah, that was Sophia spoke with thirty fifth and read law. This is a special coverage of the verdict in the Van Dyke trial here on seven twenty WGN. We've got a panel of people and we're talking. About what's next here in the city of Chicago. Brian Warner is with us chain rhyme fest Smith her mean, Hartman, Richland coffin Vilma teapot Pondo joining us on the line. I want to bring in Janette Wilson Janette Wilson had a press conference right after the verdict was announced, of course, she is the national executive director for push excel branch of operation pushing Chicago. She's also an attorney Brevard Wilson. Thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you for having me. How are you? Good. One of the things that you mentioned was we kind of talked about is whether or not the laws on the books are applicable when it comes to. Charging police officers for misconduct. So you think that that that's a possibility to be changed at some points out of this case. Well, the criminal code is is designed and determined with input from lawyers. But it's this legislation that is passed at the state level and most people recover frustrated about the law this Illinois criminal code, and we have the ability to change laws and make new laws in the Illinois general assembly the house, and you have the Senate most people don't think about. Any of these things when they are voting for state reps. And when they voted for state senators, that's where laws are made some one young. And we'll Calloway will suggestion that there needs to be term limits on some of our elected offices and Cook County, and they introduced the what they call the quantum McDonald Bill, and they wanted it to the house and the Senate, and then ultimately reached the governor staff so those three. Yeah. Had two branches that make and draft laws, and then the governor has the ability to sign an execute them. Saw all this political process is the next level of this as well as the police are governed by a of a contract with the city of Chicago negotiate about the mayor with the police show, you the for tunnel police that is not unlike the unions across the nation with police. And so we have to look at the fraternal order police contract with the city of Chicago. In terms of what it says about how long we have to wait before police officer who is accused of misconduct. Can be removed from active duty and reassigned and. And Linda says employment what kind of due process does he get greater than a due process for four to another nine police officer employee of the of the city or the county. I mean, these are things that should be negotiated and question we now have is should this lame duck mayor who says he's not running for reelection. Be allowed to the contract with the F O T, which is pending now when he was mayor when the cover up occur. Well, we'll Calloway said at one point as well today, he had kinda pointed out dome t the idea that black alderman had let down the black community, and that there should be fresh start for politicians, and that they shouldn't be they should be voted out and everyone should register to vote in the black community, Reverend listen what what's your take on that? Do you feel that there should be a regime change if you will? In the black community in Chicago. Well, I think that there has to be an understanding that people that we vote into office or that we allowed to be elected there are consequences to being elected. And then you operate against our interests these police misconduct settlements that have been approved by the city council has a question about the did. You know, what did you like we asked the alderman if they saw the video before they agreed to settlement in this case. Were they briefed properly. Did they raise questions before they sign a half a billion dollars worth of police settlements? And so. Yes. There will be us who changes just as with an elected mayor just as we change the state's attorney's office because the the the cover-up didn't that start with man died. He merely executed a kid on the street, the police officers the police union was part of it. But you had the state's attorney who was complicit Anita Alvarez who is no longer state's attorney for just how we ended up electing FOX because we want Justice Santa's at every level in the system from the police on the street, and you know, that because of the protests we had finally under President Obama, we had the US attorney conscious Chicago and notice that we have many assists police misconduct. We have a significant issues with racial profiling by the Chicago police officers. It's a culture of racism that has not changed. It's a culture of them proper training within the police department. This all of those things are coming out in the consent decree that that Illinois attorney general had to sue the city to even make that revenue. Wilson was short on time. I want to thank you for joining us national executive director of push. Excel. Appreciate your time tonight. What what thank you. Yep. We're gonna continue to talk about him now on the show because we were talking right before the break about training. You know, the the question is, you know, you're going to see coming out of this trail and the consent decree a different kind of approach to training. Do you think the Brian Roy started the police officer in the room? Do you? Do you feel that there should be a change in the way that police officer trained, certainly I mean, you can always benefit from training. But if can make one point to the woman said, yeah, we have to change legislation. We have to do these things we have to remember is that Jason Van Dyke acted under the current law and acted under his current training that should have been explained in a press conference. Not in a court of law is said the optics were bad but moving forward, if you want a debate all those things there's no way in hell that he should be in jail as a travesty that it became so political and that he's a political scapegoat because the politicians. Have the courage to step forward and do their due diligence? And explain the law cudgel been on training because I think one of the interesting things that I took legally out of Vendex testimony, which I think we all agree. Maybe wasn't the best move by him. But I agree. He had to testify. I don't think he did a great job. I think one of the key parts of his testimony that may be one of the jurors brought up today was on the one hand he was claiming that he was following proper training and pulse police procedure. But I think where he lost some credibility was when he said he was shooting at that knife and the prosecutor ask him, well that's not consistent with trading right because you're trained to shoes. But he's he's also lost some credibility, though. Okay. Sure. He made less low credibility. But when I was involved in it and my shooting, I'm shooting at a moving vehicle that's technically against protocol. But the guys firing for me at the back from the backseat of the car. So we have to look at each situation as individual which is because you're training says don't you do a car? There's always going to be a circumstance that you have to look at an. Factor. Let me ask question isn't training to shoot in the in the chest. And in mass. Okay. And and the hair what training says shooting in the back. Well, when when when you're involved in a shooting and you're firing. There's many times that officers don't even realize they're striking your offenders because especially in a situation like this when the offenders high on PCP, he's not necessarily reacting he'd be fired three or four times before he realized he was hitting him because he's high on drugs. And he's not reacting is a person who's not high in drugs. I I've had situations where officers fired at state we're in a confrontation they fired a weapon five or six times when somebody jumped out of a car people fired back at him. They go chasing these guys over fences down alleys the guys get away. Walking back to their car. They see a blood trail there. Like, oh my God. I'd hit the guy. So they call the local put on the radio checked at the hospitals. And this offend your shows up the hospital three bullets in. I just because you shoot somebody is not like the westerns that they fall dead. But we spend a lot of we're spending a lot of time talking about the Kwame McDonnell, and what he had an assistant, but we're not spending any time talking about the twenty complaints against Van Dyke before we even got to this point what were those complaints. And if it was excessive force is there something in the system mechanism that should have kicked in to address before we even got to the news here, and we'll come back, and let's pick up on that point. Because I do think that that's a that's a good way for us to move forward. We our special coverage of the verdict in Van Dyke trial here on seven twenty WGN. We'll take and we'll get to the news, and we'll come back continue the conversation stay if you love football yelling at television screens with Rams and wearing.