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Don't feel tear. I don't think think I feel strongly one way or the other. But I think what's what's missing is in recognition analysis of these larger structures. That are incentivizing. Both workers and employers is to gauge in unauthorized work. And the ways in which these are are making people so vulnerable to exploitation and yeah. I don't blame you if there's if there is in a concrete answer for that because this is the type of story did really it does not lend lend itself to any sort of optimism or any Ernie hope that people from the top down or going to make any change. But if there's anything to be to be taught from forgotten immigrant rights that you know and I'll make it very blunt myself that these white male power structures that are the food processing assessing industry and government is especially those in powered. Mississippi are not agents for social change. It starts from the bottom up. It starts from organizations such as the one that you work with in Mississippi and the various other African American organizations in Mississippi that have stepped up in solidarity to the immigrant community in in Mississippi as well in light of what took place I'm channel. Do you have any any the opinion or any thoughts of you know the young girl that was put on TV. Who was crying for her father when when the raids took place This is kind of hard to to you know see those sort of images but at the same time it it personally for me. It kind of infuriates me that we have to wait for something like that to be put on the spotlight and rather than instead of speaking to grassroots organizations like the ones that you worked in and hear them talk about the work that they've been doing an up for years now to raise awareness about labor exploitation nation in places like Mississippi. Yeah I mean I think I don't know if this is responding directly to your question but but I think that all this is all happening in context of of growing white nationalism across the across the country White supremacy seems to be gaining More of a hold or at least more people feel more free to to express These issues I think we need to keep in mind in this context texts. That racism isn't a Mississippi problem. It's not a southern problem. It's not a black problem. It's not a lot the next problem. Racism is a white problem. It's all of our problem right and also I think we need to remember that. It's not just about good people and bad people which I think we tend and to think about a lot when we're looking at at the shooter who came out in Moscow in all the other mass shootings that are going on but it also has the Jewish structural actual racism? I think we see this really clearly. In the in the case of these raids in case of the in the case of the lives of the folks that who were affected by these raids and the work that they were doing the lives that they're living structural racism is is embedded in our institutions. And I think you're saying you know the the answer isn't GonNa come from above and I agree. I think it requires all of us. Working for Racial Justice for immigrant. Justice for Social Justice in our community is doing feeling what each of us what we can absolutely and again. It's a hard thing to discuss because again. This story Loyd does not lend himself to any sort of optimism. But you know I always tell people that you know. People in the global south cannot afford for dissidents in privilege society. Such as you and I to become cynical it's not our lives salutes and it's not our future to mortgage so the struggle for workers rights is going to continue in Mississippi at the very least so I mentioned a few organizations. I WanNa know before we let you go love if there are any other organizations that you believe are worth mentioning that works on these cases or just any good organizations in general in Mississippi. They're struggling only for workers rights but for social justice as well in the state of Mississippi. Yeah I think the MISSISSIPPI CBS Immigrant Rights Alliance is a crucial organization. That's operating at the statewide level to try to stop anti immigrant legislation from passing and connecting server legislative issues and racial and immigrant issues with Labor issues. Pueblo is a small organization that is supporting workers. Pro Bono Immigration support following the raids the Aclu of Mississippi. The city is doing really important work and the Mississippi Center for Justice and then I would also mention this is not a Mississippi based organization but for folks for interested in thinking more about the consequences of criminalising immigrant labor her and and I guess the consequences not just for immigrants but for our economy I mean and for all workers I really admire the work of the break. The chains alliance Who are who are are trying to educate folks on this issue and encourage us to think about repealing the e- Orca employer sanctions provisions? That I was talking about earlier. So the struggle for workers rights in immigrant rights continues and thanks to the good work as well by Angela Stews for bringing this allied as as well. So we've been speaking with Angela stews. She's a cultural anthropologist. At the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. She's the author of scratching out a living Latinos Tinos race and work in the deep South. Her latest article can be found on progressive DOT ORG. That's progressive dot org entitled workplace is rates are not the answer Angela. Thank you very much for being on the show with us. Thanks so much. Thank you once again with. That said that is it for today's show. We WanNa remind everyone that you check out this episode in our previous episodes on Latino media collective dot com you also follow us on twitter under the name at LLC underscores show and of course live on WPF WFAN dot org that's WPF W FM. That org so on behalf of my co-producer Abby Be Roberts this is Oscar Fernandez saying very much everyone for listening to his show. That's it for today show a deal November Chow.