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Eighties inland and fall begins Tuesday morning. Traffic and weather together on the eights on all news, one of 69 and Am 7 40 KCBS case. CBS News Time made 20 as fires continue to pose an immediate threat to homeowners across the West Coast climate based migration. Has become a hot topic for more Now we're joined down the case to be S Ring Central News Line by Jesse Keen, an associate professor of real estate in the School of Architecture at Tulane University. Good morning, Jessie. Hey, thank you so much for having so, Jesse. What would need to happen in building an architecture in order for people not to move because of these things that are happening. There's two fundamental things that needs to happen, particularly the state of California, the state Legislature working together with climate scientists, geologists and experts in Geospatial Intelligence. Need to draw maps. On really where the highest risk zones are for fire, and they need to coordinate land use and where they build and rebuild so that they basically begin to move and transition people out of high risk areas. The other thing that needs to happen in California, and this is a longstanding debate, of course in Sacramento. Ultimately, the state is me going to need to step in and override local land use decisions. That is how and when and where to build to incentivize greater density and get around what we would Noah's not my backyard phenomenon. Because all you know people are moving into what we call the wild urban interface. In part because of the existing challenges. We're all aware of in terms of housing, affordability and the like, in one way to really combat wildfires, believe it or not, is actually building more sustainable urban development. In our urban course. Now, Jessie. I know in places like in Hawaii, you know, on the Big island they have, you know, lava zones and realestate prices. You know, a greatly affected depending on if you live in a in a particular lava zone. Did you see something like that down the road say for California's a wildfire zone or something like that. Could that make a difference? It could. It is exactly what I'm calling for. And I think you're right that you know, One of the collateral effects here is that when you remove land, it creates more scarcity and that increases housing and, of course, By some measures undermines affordability. But we have to come back that by actually producing Mohr housing in the type of housing that avails itself. Of density access to master transportation on the light. You know, I'd like to blame Berkeley, California for wildfires because Berkeley, California refuses to build high density affordable housing near their mass transit stops. So you know, and that's a little bit of a hyperbole, of course, but It's not too far off from the challenges that we face. I think, Jesse when people here and we talk about climate based migration there, you know a lot of times were thinking, California. We're thinking, Florida. We're thinking of these places where we keep repeatedly hearing about hurricanes and wildfires and things like that. With that said, when people are relocating out of these places, where are they heading? I mean, you still have issues when you're talking. Tornadoes and things like that in the Midwest. I mean, where are people going? No, there's nowhere that is unaffected from climate change, You know, certain cities and communities and geography is would be better off or have less perils or less risk. But there's nowhere you can hide. But that being said, I think it's work stepping back and thinking big picture here that at least in the Northern Hemisphere flora and fauna, plants and animals are in a slow northern migration, and I don't think that people are any different in the broader ecological realm. We will slowly be shifting our populations further and further North. I think certainly in terms of the Northeast the Midwest in the upper Midwest, United States, There's a real opportunity there to think about sustainable urban development that give consideration to affordability. Access to transportation and Many of the urban amenities that we have taken for granted. You touched on it a little bit already, but and we do know that other countries are building, you know, entire cities that combat for instance, extreme heat. You know, with homes that could be built with fire resistant materials. That sort of thing, talk a little bit about some of the strategies that we can use to relieve some of the pressure of natural disasters or climate change. So, building codes are important on building codes in California, of course, have gotten better on and enforcement is always a challenge. But building codes can only go so far. Ultimately, it's about land you it's about where people build And there's no two ways of getting around that. And I think that not only does that mitigate future losses for communities and homeowners in the future that also offers an opportunity for ecological restoration. And, you know, improving water quality and water access, particularly in California, which is a long perennial challenge, if you will. So you know, building codes are important. Regulation is important in very localized term, but you know, I come back. To fire zones and more resolute relationship between zoning and where these fires are going to essentially drive people out in the future. Just so many unknowns. That's true, Jesse. Thanks so much for joining us. That's Jessica Keenan. He's an associate professor of realestate in the School of Architecture at Tulane University K CBS News Time. 8 25. An update on traffic with Caroline Burns is coming up. Next J. Foreigner here, CEO of Rocket.