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Seen her on TV as an MSNBC political analyst she also teaches campaign management at the Columbia University school of international and public affairs and Corinne John Pierre has a new book called moving forward a story of hope hard work and the promise of America it's part memoir of this Haitian American from queens medical manifesto one of her chapters is called flawed candidates they are everywhere enough said that she's worked in the past four campaigns of John Edwards and Anthony Weiner for example Korean it's a pleasure to have you here welcome to the I have to tell you I think I was telling you earlier I am such a fan I I think you are one of this the smartest people out there I love hearing your voice I love hearing your commentary you do a great show and so thank you for what you do and so just wanted to make sure is and I said that blushing having seen on television a lot but we never met or spoken to hear that you're listen I'm really glad can you tell us some of your family's migration story how do wind up in queens yeah so Hey it's it's so he was a long treks of both my parents were born and raised in Haiti and from there my dad left first to go to Martinique to just find a better way of life and to find work left my mom behind and then when he was ready my mom moved to Martinique and then I was born in Martinique year to later and then you know it's always been on their mind that they wanted to come to the United States because you know this is about forty years ago and they you know they and they understood and the stories were you come to America and you will have a better life you will have opportunities you can you do you could either raise your family in a way that you can give them what you want to give them and so that's kind of the story for martini went to France and then came to came to New York grew up in queens queens village two twelve street Jamaica Avenue shot out to queens village and kind of grew up from grew from the group from there I grew up on two hundred tenth street there we go I see you were originally planning to become a doctor before you wound up in politics what well I hope some of you I think some of you your your listeners will will appreciate the story coming from immigrant family you grow up in in the culture where you are taught that it in order to be successful you have to be a lawyer or doctor engineer and that those are the three things that my parents presented to me and believed that is your success that's where you can reach the American dream and for for they they chose being a doctor and so that was for you my whole childhood elementary through high school and into college that is what I believe that I was going to be and you know was rough it wasn't meant for me you know you got to take the M. cats that so that's not an easy task and so it came to kind of a wall there and I realize well this is not going to happen for me and then I promised my parents that I would go to graduate school and make sure that I would continue my career and not ended with undergrad and I did that ended up at Columbia University school of international public affairs David Dinkins was there as as a you know clearly or former former mayor first African American mayor was there as a professor he became a mentor there was Esther Fuchs professor Esther Fuchs who became a mentor to me and it was just having the right people around me trying to figure things out during grad school did not know at that time even in grad school that I would go into politics and I I went to Haiti for the first time on a school trip and for workshop that we were doing for our second year as for the master's program and I wanted to come back and do something I wanted to come back and help people is particular people you know people from from my country my parents country and so I decided to go into politics and change policy and be part of of you know changing it from the side of government and your site the events of nine eleven and a growing connection to your Haitian roots as seminal turning points in your political awakening in what way was nine eleven that for you well you know I think that speaking for myself I think you can be in a bubble you know growing up here at least I did I was in a bubble just focused on myself focused on my career trying to figure out what was next I was young and when September eleventh happened it opened up a whole new kind of discussion in conversation about what was happening outside of the United States and if you you know we we just felt very vulnerable we were in a very vulnerable state and so it caused me to it was like a catalyst for me to start learning more about what was going on out there what was our relationships with other country what was what was happening and and also it was interesting because a program that I was in school of international public affairs in this was the first week this old September eleventh for me happened the first week of of graduate school at Columbia University and that particular school is incredibly diverse you have people from everywhere in late Saturday chair right international of glee and and so it's just kind of open up that space and also led me to go back to Haiti and really focus on what was going on in Haiti who who I was because growing up I have to tell you bring growing up in the eighties and nineties it was a stigma to be from for of Haitian of Haitian roots right it was there was this for a while overall falsely consider this group for each of the exactly and so and so there was I never appreciated the culture and the history the rich wonderful history of Haiti being the first black Republic getting there you know winning the revolution in eighteen oh four I mean all of these things that I need never really appreciated and it was then that I kind of stepped into that space and learning the history and learning who I was and who I came from and if it's so interesting how nine eleven I think for some people made them even more more cloistered in a certain respect USA USA we're victims good guys bad guys and for other people it made them more open to the rest of the world like wait what was going on out there not to have any sympathy for al Qaeda but that the many complicated factors that contributed to that that's exactly right it's incredibly complicated it's not an easy you know it's not you can't talk about it in just one conversation there multiple conversations to be had and like I say like you just said it opened up you do kind of my my like my brain my you know kind of like what is going on out there what is it that I need to be to be knowing as now an adult right in the space when I was in my twin my mid twenties so what was it like for you to hear the president trump called your ancestral homeland an **** country it was you know people ask me why did I write the book I wrote the book because I wanted to be honest and raw Intel personal story my personal story but also be inspirational let people know that look I had this really rough upbringing and I made it you know I made it through I persevered and when I knocked down I got back up and in this process of writing the book when Donald Trump said that those words and it was I believe January of twenty eighteen was very early in twenty eighteen it was heart breaking it was it was rough because you hear it you know under this president and let's be let's be really clear I wanna be really clear like that a lot of things that are happening now the reason the bigotry the misogyny the homophobia from this present has been around for a long time he has just given it a different type of voice a different type of a light that I've not seen in my generation and so when he said that coming from the perch of the White House occupying the White House being the president the commander in chief it hit it hit so hard in this anti immigrant sentiment that he has is so devastating so there is the **** countries from the from the mouth of the president on a country that I love the country of my parents' birth and then there's the separation of children at at the border from their families I mean there is this on and on and on of of of this awful policy by this president and I thought you know this is not this is not okay in so many levels and I want to write this book to really give voice to people my guest if you're just joining us is Corinne Sean pia chief public affairs officer from MoveOn dot org maybe you've seen on TV is an MSNBC political analyst fuel for teachers campaign management at her alma mater as we just learned the Columbia University school of international and public affairs and her new book is called moving forward a story of hope hard work and the promise of America we can take some phone calls for a career John PM maybe some of you see her on TV as a political analyst or react to what she's saying here also we're going to start really talking about current affairs when we come back from a break we're gonna talk about impeachment we're talk about the democratic political race of presidential race so stay with us call in if you want two one two four three three W. 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