Steve Steve, United States, United Nations discussed on Coast To Coast AM With George Noory
He's the executive director of the climate science coalition of America, which is an independent non political association of scientists and concerned citizens focusing on informing all of us about the realities of climate science and energy economics his book outside the green box is in my hand right now. Steve welcome to the program. Good to have you with us. Very good night to you, George. Great to join you just mentioning climate week with just wrapped up in New York. What do they do? Anyway. Well, they they had a lot of people. There are a lot of dignitaries their goals from the website where that they were running to race ambition reduced climate change and accelerate climate action. Some big notables. Tony Blair, former prime minister of England spoke a Ban Ki moon from the United Nations actor, Hugh Jackman. The wolf man Nobre in Spokane. So quite a quite a bit group. Also, a big public relations deal. They claim five hundred thirty five million people were reached and three hundred news articles written so kind of an interesting thing. But I would and and a lot of the folks there, I think believe. If they change light bulbs. They can save polar bears. If we all drive electric cars, we can stop the oceans from rising. And if we build a wind turbine towers, we can make the storms less frequent and less severe, and George we live in a in a modern age of superstition. There's really no empirical evidence to support those sorts of beliefs. So they are definitely man made global warming proponents, aren't they they are. I've never been a fan of that. Because you know, I I think one Stephen I think you agree. We're polluting the planet. There's no question about that. And we need to fix that. There's a real pollution. We need to fix. That's correct. I don't think the pollution is causing what they say made climate change. I think we're in solar cycles. I think this this planet has been warmer during the dinosaur days, and we didn't have cars and all the carbons in the atmosphere and anything like that there are at least four periods of the last ten thousand years when it was warmer matter of fact, it was about two to three degrees celsius warmer, according to a geologist eight thousand years ago when we've been gently cooling since then although temperatures go up, and they go down, and you know, the other thing about pollution as you say, we were many people are completing what I'll call real air pollution that can harm people or harm the environment things like carbon monoxide. Nitrous oxide sulfur dioxide mercury particulates with carbon dioxide, which is a odorless harmless invisible. Gas and what I speak to groups. I like to say to them what do cannabis growers know that climate scientists apparently don't know, why do you believe that there are so many proponents for manmade climate change? Well, it's a bit of a long story back in one thousand nine hundred eight Dr James Hansen of NASA came and testified before congress, and they it was on a very hot summer day. And he said he was ninety nine percent sure that the earth was warming and humans were causing as he was a computer monitor and within a year and a half the United Nations formed the intergovernmental panel on climate change. And just three years later. We had forty one nations and the European Community sign a treaty saying they would reduce greenhouse gas. Gases. So in my opinion, the the first thing is that the world kind of jump to a conclusion quickly on this. But you know, for the last thirty years or so the computer models have been predicting very fast warming. And we haven't seen it temperatures warm just a little storms aren't stronger the polar bears are doing fine. And then the second factor, though, is I think much of this is being driven forward by momentum by money. We have wind and solar and biofuel industries. We have deans of sustainability at the university's vice president sustainability of corporations and there are over. There's over two hundred fifty billion dollars a year spent every year on renewables to try and stop the planet from warming. So the first is the world jump to a conclusion second is there's there's just a huge amount of money momentum behind all of this amazing. What's been going on lately? The last couple of days they've been talking about fears of one or two degrees affecting everything what's going on with that. Well, you know, that is really remarkable to I j Inslee governor of Washington state just posted posting article and CNN, quote, how to show Trump you care about climate change. And he's made statements saying that the forests are a lot warmer, and that's why we're seeing these forest fires. Well, we've had one degree of warming. In the last one hundred and thirty years one degree yet. And I think it came from the sun. Well, like those who but that comes straight from the climate research unit at East Anglia in England, the the number one thirty on this one degree. So so in the last decade, maybe we've had a tenth of a degree in Washington US and to say that all these forest fires caused by a tenth of a degree change. I mean that just doesn't make any sense. So people need to get a little perspective. There's probably other bigger factors at work the way, we take care of our forests, for example. Are you concerned Steve that were headed down the wrong direction here with climate change? Oh, absolutely. This is a tremendous misallocation of resources has you say there are there are major pollution issues to be solved today. Eighty percent of the world's wastewater is discharged untreated into lakes, rivers and streams the ocean. If you remember a few years ago in Brazil, the swimmers didn't want to swim in the water. And they're just building the first water treatment plants down in Brazil. So that's a real problem. We need to solve we have two billion people trying to live on to US dollars a day. One point two billion don't have electricity. We have two point five billion without proper sanitation millions die from disease yet. We're spending all this money to try and keep the planet from warming. And the bottom line is the planet is dominated by natural factors as you say oceans weather driven by the sun. It's unlikely that we're going to be able to make a measurable difference with all the things we're doing in California and everywhere else, I'm global temperatures. There's no question that the, you know, the the the groups that are pro or con what's happening with climate change keep butting heads. But I'm beginning to see. At least more scientists beginning to feel the way you do that we're dealing with a different kind of climate change. Well, if you again, if you look at at any of the well any of the the predictions about climate change, and you see a lot of articles. He saw articles written about. What was hurricane Florence? And last year we had a couple of major hurricanes. We had Harvey hit Texas. We had another one hit. I think it was Irma hit Florida. But if you look back at history, this has happened before we've had twelve years since nineteen hundred when two or more major hurricanes have made landfall in the United States. These are this is really nothing new a hundred seventy hurricanes made landfall during the twentieth century there. And if you look at the actual evidence, you don't see that's storms are either getting more frequent or stronger, the US government also has data on droughts and floods if you look for the lower forty eight states over the last hundred years, there's no indication we're seeing more floods more droughts. We had more droughts in the nineteen thirties. We have three times the polar bears that we had in nineteen sixty. So the the dire consequence. Chances are just not occurring as people are predicting and people still write these articles. But they never show data comparing the past to the present. When we come back. Let's talk specifically about your new book outside the green box. Steve Steve's website linked up at coast to coast,.