Mexico, El Chapo, Joaquin El Chapo Guzman discussed on 1A

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Is one eight I'm Todd's will gain for Joshua Johnson in Washington, literature and myth are filled with visions of the underworld of what lies beneath the surface of the earth. And what happens if you delve too greedily and too deep since our beginning humans have wondered what might lie beneath the center of the earth, or what might happen to them. If they're brought down below will some brave souls go as far as burrowing deep underground, not for riches or for resources, but to find out for themselves. What lurks for us under the surface of the earth? We'll talk to one such soul in a moment. But first, we go to Mexico City where we can where we're going to talk to you in Grillo reporter, and author of L Narko inside Mexico's criminal insurgency. You've probably heard by now that Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, Laura was found guilty on ten counts of charges related to drug trafficking, including the distribution of cocaine. And heroin illegal firearms possession and money laundering, the trial in Brooklyn New York lasted thirteen weeks and included some stunning allegations, including kouzmines alleged one hundred million dollar bribe to the former president of Mexico. The president denies that claim you and Grillo joins us from Mexico City you and thanks for coming on one a good to be here. Now, I saw an image. Just a few minutes ago, the tabloid newspapers the newsstands in Mexico City today may have even been on your Twitter feed, sir, El Chapo, El Chapo, El Chapo, El Chapo, wall-to-wall. This is a gigantic deal there in Mexico. This is this is one of the stories of the decade. Well, it isn't it isn't in a sense. I mean, obviously is huge. This is the most infamous Mexican drug Lord ever. Him going to prison finally the United States doing life. I is a big story here. However, the biggest story is this continuing bloodbath in Mexico that chapel is a pot of. But he's only one of many people involved in that goes on. I mean, you know, we're talking about over the last ten years two hundred thousand murders here in Mexico, which is an enormous human cost for the society here. So yeah, I mean, so it sounds like you're talking about news that he's going to prison for life positively received. But I'm getting the sense that El Chapo is is the symptom. Not the problem. Yet. An extended extended always say, even even in the news to prison is a bit more mixed feelings about this. I know I was talking to various people up over the years. I've been covering this issue in eighteen hundred for eighteen years in Mexico. And I was looking at some of the people of known during that time off the squad. How they felt when a WalMart Amada who Saad was married. She spent three years trying to find him, and he discovered his body in a in a mass grave about how she felt it is quite mixed feelings, you know, there's one side. Okay. The guy's going to prison. They said that national enough to repair the damage that she's felt this has been basically a war situation. He was like a warlord in vaulted escalating the conflict and sad as well. Having a sudden shave that Mexico could not conduct this trial itself, a deal with its own super criminals, and he was extradited to the United States. So goose Mon El Chapo, had this long history of incarceration of escape. Being on the run being on the Lam finally picked up and handed over extradited to the American authorities after his last escape through a tunnel as you mentioned, El Chapo ran the Loa cartel. Can you talk a little bit about the violent impact of that cartel how they operated, and what Mexicans have have come to know about Sinoloa, whether it stops with the incarceration of all Chapo or not. Sure, so similar is is a state in north west Mexico. It's a bit like how Sicily is for the for the mafia sin the lower rates for the Mexican cartels. Birthplace this goes back a hundred years when the United States, I restricted opium and cocaine the nine hundred fourteen houses tax act, those people had seen the lower producing the drugs to take him to the United States so two hundred year history. It's a mountainous area. I've been up there to the village. Well, Chapa frog it's far up in the mountains with no roads up there, just parts obser- people living in difficult circumstances who really embraced the drug trade. Now, this cartel became the biggest in Mexico and in the early twenty hundreds is tied to fight a very violent conflict with another cartel called. The set us who will lead by four special forces for the Mexican military. This really raise the stakes because it used to be like gag bamboos. We shaved. Heads and tattoos farming with with with pistols a bit like the the gang violence that you might see in the streets of Baltimore or the US series. But then it became something. Very different became an odd conflict with people with bullet proof jackets AK47.'s, even RPG sevens. And the Cinderella cartel followed on this militarization covering this through the years. And it was something you saw just creep up until it became this real humanitarian catastrophe, and you saw crazy things. Trust is from both sides or all sides in obscene things one time. I was in a more whether it was forty nine bodies open dumped who had their hands cuts off their feet cut off their heads cut off. I'll in a mass grave with more than two hundred fifty bodies while they were on earth. The smell was gone up into a middle class neighborhood, the Knicks rile side there. So the real key players. What was essentially an armed conflict in Mexico. That is cost seventy lives, a horrible horrible record of of death and torture disappearances and murders in Mexico as you mentioned as many as two hundred and fifty thousand deaths and thirty seven thousand people disappeared in escalating violence since two thousand and six we got one Email from Michael who says I've read that El Chapo rose to power with the help of Mexican government officials. The story goes that the government preferred one strong drug Lord rather than many weaker druglords who were constantly infighting and creating chaos in the country. Is there any truth to this narrative you, and can you shed any light on that show? I mean, it's not even a secret that drug cartels have worked with the Mexican government. The years you go back to the nineteen nineties. The the president then his brother was accused of rotting with the drug trade and Swiss authorities found more than five hundred million dollars in accounts linked to him. And the of Chapo Guzman is definitely had many leagues too many different drug cartels would differ a bit with how things played out in the last few years? The corruption has always been there and continued and never went away when Mexico went to multiparty democracy in the year two thousand which is an I arrived in Mexico. Then there was hope that okay? This is going to change this could be peace and democracy. This is the new century, but corruption was still there. But what happened was the corruption became fragmented? So wall Chapo Guzman certainly had his links with the government so did other some other drug cartels. I'm what you got was the state fighting itself. I beat him places. I've always inaudible radio when there was federal police fighting minutes will place shootouts among different police forces. So you that's part of the reason how the country got so violent because the corruption was about unified anymore. You different political players support. If drug traffickers, let's hear now just yesterday on the courthouse steps in New York. US attorney Richard Donahue who helped convict El Chapo. Here's what he had to say. This conviction.

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