Interferon, Cancer, FLU discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick


A child with ear cancer and the funny thing about the story is it announces that after just a few weeks on the treatment the child could see again. Well yes because he had cancer not I. I can't say no. It turned out the cancer had spread throughout his his head and actually did he actually had been blind to and he did have site return in one eye and And his ears improved as well and of course this is. This being Britain does enough for the tabloids to just start screaming magic drug miracle in Scotland Blend. And he's not. A child is not receiving any other treatment. I think it's I think this is used in initially last ditch cases. See and this. Is You see this today with cancer. If you've ever known anybody WHO's fighting cancer it gets to a point where they've tried all the stuff and then they and their families were just clutching at straws. For what's what's the new experimental stuff right. We read that. There's I read on the Internet. There's this one guy in Minnesota. There's this one guy in Pakistan or rubbing crystal. Can we try this. Yeah this is why Andy he goes to Mexico has some guy con him with cow intestines But that's exactly what happens. In this case these headlines Trump at this amazing using development and suddenly tens of thousands of England alone has one hundred thousand people with cancer at the time all these cancer sufferers and their families Ktar now just storming hospitals. Can you imagine the that desperate feeling of awful. Yeah and you see yourself in it like if that was you oh you would absolutely be grappling. It's the stages of grief bargaining as well or your child right. I will do anything and so. These people are weeping and literally offering you know what their care providers. What can we give to get on this interferon? List and three thousand dollars doesn't seem insurmountable but that three thousand dollars is is not no. That's that's a little vial like you can just go buy it for three thousand dollars. These are just anecdotal reports. Nobody has actually done a study yet. Around there's some anecdotes about the same time of doctors who happen to have someone hand who see what it'll do on cancer and they get encouraging results one small surveys done on with people with OSTEO genetic sarcoma but apart from this kind of run on the Bank of the Interferon Bank. Nobody's actually published work on what this stuff actually does. And and it's not until the very late seventies that a British company in Kent called. Well come what it's welcome but it's two L.'s. I hope it somebody's name well. We'll come no. It's a play on the word. Get well they ask you to come. There could be a nail will could be welcome. I don't know they have. I found a way to culture to make interferon in a lab with by cell culturing. Basically they've got these 20-foot-high tanks where they've they've got some stem them like embryonic cell lines that they've preserved in some way to immortalize them. It's just a more. They've still got to figure out how to stimulate it and how to purify defied the results but finally there's an industrial process to start to make this stuff in quantity and it's still expensive but now there's interferon on on hand to start testing. It's given to one lucky patient. kind of this test best-case some patients zero type and it kind of sad ironic twist the patient immediately goes into respiratory arrest. Because they're using it turns out that too. They're allergic to the binder. Know to this day. Something that wasn't known because Interferon and only existed in small quantities. All of these but to this day we now know that one of the primary problems with Interferon not hinted at in my third grade textbooks is that it has flu like side effects. I assume because is you're you're treating this stuff with with D. H.. It's now believed that. So there's some toxicity to it far from being a cure all actually the body reacts badly to it because it inoculate feel flew at least we now believe the interferon is the thing that your cells cytokines like interferon art secreted created by sales when exposed to viruses like flu. And in fact. That's one of the reasons why flu accompanied by these aches and pains and fevers like that's the medium through. It's the symptom appears so if you're just going to isolate the stuff and give it to the patient you're just GonNa get some of the benefit but you're definitely getting it. All the aches and pains and fevers. I having the flu. So this is a natural process of cells to combat viruses. Not a thing that human technology just just to software the first time I guess I guess we had. We certainly haven't seen it and I don't know if that means that it had not been isolated did or your body different parts of your body your squirting different fluids at different other different parts of your body all the time so it might be something that science had to concentrate and isolate in in order to actually know what was going on but yeah if that theory is correct like that's that's part of. Why being sick makes you feel awful? Your cells are making interferon. It's it's interfering with your good mood and your ability to get out of bed and eat solid food. And in a couple of these early high profile profile cases the patient actually later died in some cases after making encouraging headlines died of cancer or of something unrelated of flu flu I think the the patient with respiratory arrest did survive the patient. That could have killed that patient. The Interferon could've killed in that case. He survived but many of the cases of promising progress. We're actually followed by a a quick downturn and death presumably from the cancer but it was definitely eating into the miracle drug reputation of Interferon and again. It's a problem of this kind of story story that the breathless advances reported all over the world right. It's the it's it's cold fusion all over again. Yeah as we saw with cold fusion when you know the then there follows confused period. Where nobody you know? People are more excited to write the breakthrough story than they are right. The the bummer. takedown down story. Well and that's one of the problems of media particularly media. That isn't the media that's up to to the minute right rather than slow media. We talked about this when we talked about cold fusion. It's the same problem. Today is that when actual science reporting according gets filtered through many many layers from between the time somebody writes an academic paper to the time you hear a local newscaster talking about it or it shows up buzzfeed logistical right and as its gone through those many many steps it gets less and less reliable like a game of telephone because the you know the academics because we saw in the cold fusion segment are certainly incentivised to make their trumpet their breakthrough the biggest way possible but at least that's tempered by their worries. This is about their reputation. The media this point knows there's no reputational downside sure tomorrow is a new day right. Media cycles are now ten seconds Hey there it's Jonathan Strickland from tech stuff. Be sure to tune into a very special episode of tech stuff that was recorded inside a Mazda Mazda. C X thirty at the L. A. Auto..

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