United States, Toronto, Canada discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio


In the wake of Sunday night's shooting on the down. Fourth more information is emerging about the shooter and about his weapon up. Elise source told the CBC that the gun used by Fazle Hussain was illegally acquired and traced back to the United States. Meanwhile, Toronto city council has passed a motion to call for a ban on the sale of handguns in the city, but questions remain about the availability of illegal guns. Jordan, Donna JR is a criminal defense lawyer in Toronto. That's where we reached him Mr. Donald. Just how hard is it to get an illegal gun in Toronto if you want one. There's different ways of getting an illegal gun. One can purchase it on the street from perhaps a dealer or somebody that actually sells guns legally on the street. That's one way that's typically a scenario that would arise. Any gang other ways are people who actually steal guns from legal gun owners. So they know someone has a gun, they know they don't store correctly. They know they don't fold the law with respect to that. So they actively go over potential scenario where they can steal from that individual. I give any sense of how many of these these illegal guns. The ones that aren't taken from legal owners are flowing through the city right now. No, I mean, I personally don't have sensitive, but I can tell you the issue starts at the border. They're imported from the US because it's easy to get the US. You can buy guns online from here in Canada and ship them to the PO box states drive across the border and bring them across, but you're, you're, you're smuggling them illegally, then you're hoping you don't get caught. That's right. But. The truth is a lot of people don't get caught if they do get caught, it's on the tenth time is not the first time is that the only way that the guns are brought in from the US? Are there other ways there are probably many, many ways. And the truth is the only people that know that or likely the police and border security. But at the end of the day, it's the easiest and probably sophisticated way would be to just walk across, put it in the trunk of the car and drive back. And we have to remember it may not necessarily be what we would think of as a completed done a firearm. You can actually purchase something called the gun kit in the US which is a seventy percent of a gun. So it's not a full gun for basically, all you have to do is out of their oil if you can bring a kid across like a possibility at home and you have a gun that's not traceable because it doesn't have a serial number. But again, that is being smuggled across illegally, correct? Yeah, that would still be importing fire, correct. So if you know this is a problem. The belief. No, this is a problem if the border service agents. No, it's a problem then why aren't they doing a better job of checking for guns coming across the border. The problem we're having right now force ability, right? We wanna get it at the beginning of the chain, not at the end, and that's really it probably comes down to resources. Right. And then you get into the whole counterargument well, who retarget? What vehicles do we look? Do we search every vehicle, then it gets into the nitty gritty, given the amount of traffic we have between the US attended. And of course the size of the border. That's a consideration as well. We're not dealing with one or two gates with a large border, and once the fire gets into Canada, it's very easy to transport between offices because there isn't the same level of security clearance whence a gun is on the streets. Can it be traced? It depends whether or not serialized, and that's kind of think the issuer has a lot of weapons have been DC realized are visible guns. You mean serial numbers been scratched off correct with a barrel thrilled or it's been modified such.

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