I wanted to get back to the book that we were talking about called Dickens and prince a particular kind of genius by Nick hornby. We talked about how it's sort of a meditation on perfectionism and how that can get in the way of your creativity, but we didn't really talk about his pondering their creativity itself and how in the world those two guys or anybody who super creative ends up being that way. And I wanted to share a line from that book that has stuck with me. He's trying to figure out what it was that made both prints and Charles Dickens so creative and eventually concludes every tiny step of their lives every single parental decision, school lesson, friend, uncle, magazine, day out, crush conversation, shopkeeper, made them that way. That I suspect is the best we'll ever be able to do. I really appreciated that notion that we're all a composite of all of our experiences come together. Oh, of course. Yeah, I believe in the uniqueness of people. But I also believe that in order to step in different streams, you must intentionally seek out those different streams. Expose yourself purposely and purposefully in a different world than the people around you. If you were consuming the same things there consuming the media and the experiences, then how can you produce differently than they produce? You have to consciously seek out a different world than they do in order to be different. Well, we'd love to hear your thoughts about creativity or perfectionism or a word that's been rattling around your brain. Give us a call 877-929-9673. Our team includes senior producer Stephanie Levine, engineer and editor Tim Felton, and quiz guy John Chanel. We'd love to hear from you, no matter where you are in the world, go to wayward radio dot org slash contact. Subscribe to the podcast here hundreds of past episodes and get the newsletter at wayward radio dot ORG. Whenever you have a language story or question, our toll free line is open in the U.S. and Canada, one 8 7 7 9 two 9 9 6 7 three or send your thoughts to words at wayward radio work. Away with words is an independent production of wayward Inc, a nonprofit supported by listeners and organizations who are changing the way the world talks about language. Special thanks to Michael Brest Lauer, Josh eccles, Claire gratin, Bruce rogo, Rick seidan worm and Betty Willis. Thanks for listening. I'm Martha Barnett. And I'm grant Barrett until next