Ernie, California, Gavin Jim Gavin discussed on Fresh Air
Gavin Jim Gavin welcome to fresh air hi thanks for, having me so why did you want to build. A, series around a. Lodge like the elks club or the Masons I mean I think the. Last show that I saw that had a lodging was either the. Honeymooners of the Flintstones Yeah I think driving, around southern California probably many parts of the country you drive by, these, places, and, they feel lost in. Time, they feel a bit. Like a relic they're often windowless and you can drive by the many times and then suddenly notice ass? With that, building is or if it catches your eye out for some reason the show said in Long Beach and After World, War Two Long Beach was very prosperous. Place to sprawling streets full of bungalows and it was all based on government investment in aerospace and feeding the growth of. These communities and there's also the height. Of, membership in these fraternal orders the, elks of Long Beach had the largest membership in the nation at one point and then by. The late eighties they were bankrupt and. Closing and the this huge place they build they had to sell and membership in these places seemed to Muir declined and or the falling fortunes of. The middle class, so that was another part of it But maybe the. Main thing? Was I just had, this image in my head for a very long time of a young man knocking on the door of one of these places in an older man opening it. And I didn't know the meaning of it but it seemed, like a moment that had meeting of some kind and the show in many ways. Is is kind of just trying, to figure out the mysterious resonance of that moment so when you. Were doing research on largest did you go into any like did you ask hey can I come into your Mason lodge. I mean they're very secretive aren't they Yeah I mean some are almost functioning. Like museums around southern California my oldest is actually belongs to the folks in orange. And they have? A beautiful building it was I forget what his? Bill, but early twentieth century and they were very kind to us and we we went in with their production designer and we were trying to capture both a world in our own sets that felt very familiar and, modest in a certain way but also had, these touches of the surreal in the weird and out chemical there's. A scene at the lodge where does been drinking a lot and he's in the urine all and he looks up. In on the tile the one of the, tiles represents the card from the, tarot deck called, the, fool what's that image and what does? That say, to the character. Of yeah The, image of the fool on the tarot is a person standing on the edge of a cliff with one foot up in the air there's little little dog behind him, he has a I think like I was like Bendel sticker satchel but he's. About to step off into the abyss and you know as I, imagine in my head there's almost a smile on his face and like he's. Sort of oblivious to that fact yeah so the abyss awaits but he is gladly. Stepping forward or? Maybe he doesn't quite know it's there but the? Fool Is the one, willing to, believe and in this show were we're, way more interested in what people believe in the. Things they actually, believe in or the the actual, reality of of that and it is that attornal Dr to know to understand to unlock. Some. Secret that is at, the heart of alchemy and I think it also drives Dodd and a lot, of our characters Four to try and figure out their life and, see is there a greater meeting beyond this this everyday world the scene in the unseen I guess you've said you. Write your characters is fools of their world rather than as the heros Yeah I feel like there's. Two types of storytellers and I mean not in terms of like writing, but just in life like at the pub where there's someone who tells the story and they're always the hero. Of their own story and everyone around them in stupid and then there's. The storyteller who is always, the fool and the story and they don't, seem to understand life in are always at the mercy of people who are smarter than them I am definitely the second storyteller and I've stumbled through life as such and I think dot, is is an expression of that in some level one, of the, small things I really like about the show is the depiction of a strip mall ecosystem duds father's pool supply, stores on the strip where? There's a Donut store nail salon and this pawnshop which is called the two star pawn very ambitious You know, all these people are interacting me like that, and his father pawn stuff at the pawnshop they take out loans because the guys also alone check dud serfs with the daughter of the owner of the Donut shop and they go to, the same church it's this little community was really interesting, to me Yeah I think it just, southern California strip mall life is kind of a reality for all. I worked, for a long time at a gas station there's on a corner and behind it there is a, strip mall and, you know there was a Donut shop they're owned by a Vietnamese family and all these. Other little shops and proprietors and you do get to know, each other in this weird way so yeah the strip mall where the Dudley Dudley nsen pool supply. Is kind of a second home for dot and It was, really fun to kind of bring out the. Actual humans who occupy it yeah because usually if you don't work in a, strip mall like your experience with the strip malls you drive in. You, go, to one store you drive out again like you don't sort of imagine it as this own environment yeah The show. Is also a lot about the relationship between dud and. His reluctant mentor Ernie played Brent Jennings and in the? System of the lodge dud is the squire to Ernie's night but it's also just. You, know it's an older man sort of reluctantly providing some, advice for this wayward young person and you described his, character Ernie is a master, because he's made it, through life is that a low bar for fighting someone's the. Master In my role ya know yeah just, sticking around that is it kind of. For me he goes, back to, how you define success and I feel like I became successful as a writer the, moment I was taking an. Education class and just was just trying to to write. In a way that felt truthful and everything after that I mean you can put yourself out there but in the end it all goes. Back to just what you actually value and so success for me was has nothing. To do with any type of professional lock which. You know, at this point, I can say I've had. Quite a bit of but. I don't think that luck would have come if I had been chasing some sort. Of laurel or anything like that, it came from just sticking on. The, page and, trying to trying to stick around I think Ernie has, has. A, bit of that you know he's. Had of he's had a full life he's. He's in. The, navy he's had a. Bunch of jobs he's been grinding, as a toilet salesman you now and he. Also just has a he has a taste for life. He's you know books he's reading like a sense of wanderlust and night Erin see he's a man for all seasons let's put it. That way When, I went back, and watched a few of. The episodes of the show. I noticed that there's just a ton of beer drinking like everywhere like people are. Drinking on the golf course people, are drinking at Ernie's office people. Are, drinking as, they wake up at the beach and of course at, the. Lodge, people are just pounding beers what. Was the intent of that I don't, know didn't transfer, reality rarely was there Seaver. That's that a beer in there I don't know You feel more comfortable if? You're not drinking Get something to hold onto a handrail, we're listening. To the interview fresh air producer San Britta recorded with Jim Gavin creator of the new AMC series. Lodge forty-nine will hear. More after a break this is fresh air Support for NPR comes from this station and from the Rockefeller. Foundation.