Canada, Ken Khan, Mahorn Taylor discussed on That's a Thing?!
It's exam week. And I'm dying so mom, is doing all the work for me. What's on the table, mom? Well, I was thinking that Canada day is coming, and I'm worried that you are not getting enough, Canadian culture. What are you talking about? I watched five episodes of Murdoch mysteries every night to laugh at it. Okay. Well, we are going to get into the whole Murdoch mysteries thing. But I was thinking that I grew up in the age of Ken Khan, and I feel like that's not a thing for you. And so I'm wondering if that's true. And I'm also wondering if that's. Problem could you tell me what can con- is small? Can-canada short for Canadian content. And it is the rules that we have in Canada to protect our cultural industries from American hegemony. Definitely were king. Well, I think it's one of those things like how imagine how much worse it would be if we didn't have those things. Worse. Or, or how much less Canadian anyway. So, like there's reasons for where we are this little mouse beside the big elephant of the United States. Right. The American culture is very loud, and dominating, and also because of condoms, scale, lots of it is, is really good. And so it's hard for. Other countries to make sure that their citizens are watching their stories and not just soaking up America all the time. Okay. But is the content good. That's what we'll talk about some using some isn't and we'll, we'll talk about that a little bit. So we're going to I'm going to tell you some of the ways that can con- has intersected with my life was like when I was your age and younger and I wanna know what it's like for you. But I, maybe could insert some Canadian content into this podcast by reading an ad. A could this episode of thing is to you by the Edmonton community foundation? 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So this has been my reality for my whole life. For like, might auditory reality. So at that time twenty five percent of airplay on the radio had to be Canadian music, and that was increased to thirty percent in the nineteen eighties and thirty five percent in nineteen ninety nine and with Kapadia says that now if you wanna get a license for a radio station in Canada. You actually have to play forty percent Canadian music I did not realize it was that high. That's almost a half of all music has to be Canadian. Are there that many Canadian musician? I'm not saying that to me, whereas small population compared to like our size that I feel like there might be that many of. As a matter of fact, there is enough, Canadian musicians to more than fill that, but they're all Drake. Well, if you listen to the radio, you would think so. Right. Because that's one of the things there's rules that there's a quota but doesn't say who you have to play. And so what tends to happen is that the that bands that are already popular anyway. Regardless of Cancun rules, get played a lot an and these rules don't actually help little independent guys who need some airplay in order to become, you know, popular enough to be able to do music all the time. How these rules ever helped small independent little guys. I think. I think where it most manifests itself is in one hit wonders. So I and you are big fan of one hit wonder Allah, g. Right. I'm a moderate fan of one hit wonder. I think that there have been Canadian bands who have benefited from one hit wonder all g where they had to get played on Canadian radio because of Ken, Kahn rules. And for some reason that song hit, and then and they were able to make a career basically off that one song. Yes. 'cause we definitely needed the career of snow to happen. Definitely needed to be. I'm not saying that benefits of these, like the all the good intentions policy has negative consequences. Anyway, that's yeah. So you're right like that. There's good consequences. Bad consequences of these rules. I do think that it ended up, exposing me to more Canadian music than I otherwise would have heard partly because of the nature of how do you hear music? How do you hear popular music in my childhood, which was either my parents records or cassettes, or the radio, you poor? Poor children. And let me just add to my sad story, not only just the radio, but I grew up in Edson. So we couldn't get most radio stations that were playing in the city's. So we could listen to CBC or why already owes CJ. Why are an an Epson and it played middle of the road hits. Adult contemporary think is what they call that now. And the same, you know thirty percent can con- all the time. I everything about this so much Kate. I'm going to go into a little tangent for me for a second came when I was like twelve I really liked the kissing country radio station because it played Christmas music during Christmas. That's the only reason, but then, like I just listened to that on the radio, all the time I still have them songs memorized, because they'd play the same one five times because the only thing worse than trying to like, look into like the Canadian part of the like pop market is the country market there so much less. So there are Canadian country. Are there are Canadian countries stars and the same rules apply? Some of them are international successes anyway. So in my childhood, and Murray would be an example of that. Have you heard of her? Nope. Really completely clueless. And murray. I don't even know how that would be spell. And with any like. Anyway, she was like pop. But also, she had some crossover country heads. Okay, more recently in IOT twain, I've heard the name I thought she was American time, and she her producer was not, not Canadian, but European and anyway. So these kinds of acts could get to qualify as can con-, even though they were played on the radio because they were international sensations, not necessarily because they were can't con- but there would have been other people played. And there still are other people played even on our country stations that are there because they're Canadian and they probably it's, it's good that they get some airplay, because it would be hard. It's hard to break into kind of like Nashville type things. Otherwise, yeah. But are they good at news it? Well, this is hard for you, and I to talk about right because we don't actually have popular tastes. Like we don't like the top forty of any era that we exist in. Right. But I can still recognize when the top forty is spectacularly bad. Okay. To say I know the difference between tolerable Taylor. Song and an Mahorn Taylor swift song. Right. But even even her worst music is makes her lots of money, right? Like so she is she can be popular without being artistically satisfying to the likes of you. To the legs, anybody. But clearly not she wouldn't have a career if she wasn't selling lots of music and selling out stadiums. Okay. Okay. You know, how people like hate click on news articles because they have like an inflammatory opinion. That's her last three outcomes. It is anyway, that's not get too bogged down in Taylor swift. Okay, song quiz, you about some bands of my youth, and that will be bit of jumping off point to for me to talk to you about how can con- made her. What are didn't make them Loverboy? Nope. No. This is like a seventies early eighties type rock band and kind of the same as every rock band that would have been out there, but they managed to be popular, partly because of Cancun roles. I think anyway, maybe they wouldn't think that, but I do. Burton cummings. No, I expect you to know this. Burn Cummings was part of a really popular Canadian group called the guests who in the late sixties and early seventies. And then he had a solo career and his kind of music, was definitely the kind of thing that would play a lot on CJ warr and the seventies and early eighties. The poppy family note. No, so as we are walking into the studio today and unit Biko co working the downtown farmers market. Is on hundred and th street again, which is odd because they were moving and you can find out more about that in the story tapper wrote about this recently. But anyway, the busker in the middle in the intersection of a hundred and four street and second avenue was playing a poppy family song. And it was called or yeah. Seasons in the sun, which just amazed me that this song would have so long legs than a bus ker in twenty nineteen would be playing it. And it's also a terrible terrible terrible song. I mean to be fair. He's playing it for the people at the farmer's market. And I feel like he's kinda chosen his marks a little bit. Well, yeah. And there is a there's an established in this old Cancun too, right? Because it is exactly the kind of music that people of a certain age, I e people in their forties, and fifties would remember, so I don't know if that's good or bad. But that is the thing it's. Well, it's not bad. It's not sustainable. Maybe I don't know. We'll see. I mean he's still the poppy family is apparently still able to get royalties for these terrible songs from forty years ago. So Bryan Adams. Familiar. But I don't know anything beyond that I've heard that name before. So he's had an amazingly, long career as a rock guy kinda Canada's Bruce Springsteen maybe set a reference that makes any sense to, you know, you're so young..