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Command Sheridan Sherman and Sheridan work for grant, visa-free war leaders who won the civil war. They remain close comrades. But they're in command of what becomes the American Indian wars. And the Fetterman massacre is when these uninformed American cavalryman and infantrymen believe they can build forts in sight of about fifteen hundred two thousand Indians commanded by red cloud. It's foolishness the Indians attack using decoys at the American army falls for Peter. They leave Fetterman with one hundred and sixty five arrows into him after they've killed him. Why what did that mean to them? The the the the whites both civilian and the military never for the most part never fully understood the the music extreme utilization of dead by virtually every Indian tribe in the west they look they saw it as a indication savagery. I I can't even begin to I could. But I will refrain the book is explicit. But the method that the Indians youth and mutilation of the dead are extreme as your imagination can imagine. And of course, it the I found that repellent but the plains Indians. Particularly the northern plains Indians did not torture denied mutilate. Live enemy. You say would not capture a soldier and then mutilate 'em to mediation, always occurred after death. And in fact, it was a hour practice. Look the coach of for instance, if they if they encountered it when we were soldiers in the course of the fight was settlement if they had found a handful of soldiers badly wounded mortally wounded, whatever they would dispatch them quickly with a war club one blow to the head and kill them. And then the mutilation began the purpose of mutilation was it was a religious at the Indians believed that the souls of their enemies would follow them into the afterlife. And that. In whatever condition. They were. Upon death and immediately after death. So the Indians would for instance, in some of the the the less revolting to the whites at least practices were to say slash the scene. Us loss was in their legs and their arms to poke their is out. So that when their enemies filed them to the afterlife, they would be lame. They would not be able to pose a threat to Indians who were enjoying attorney. And that was that was the purpose of mutilation, the dead. It was not an act of of close savage unquote with no purpose except Shiva retali- as most whites interpreted to be it was in the Indians way of thinking in terms of their religion, a quite rational thing to do. And I'm going to stay with the logic. And the reason because there are instances Peter's book is sweeping you understand there's enormous amount of history detail here. A while go to a conversation once between Roman nose. Knows romano's preach approaches, the General John Winfield Scott Hancock hero. The civil war who is cruel and ignorant and believes that he can intimidate the Indians from knows approaches him and for a parley, and which if it ends badly Roman is ready to kill his enemy, and he says to the general we we don't want war. If we did we would not come close to your big guns, very sensible. Peter. Did they not believe the Indians when they told them the truth? Did they not did did Winfield? Scott Hancock who is one of many generals. Who doesn't listen did? They not believe the Indians were telling them the truth. Hancock was one of the one of the more pathetic cases. He was indeed a true civil war hero. And in the eyes of many he was equal to if not superior to Sheridan in terms of is is that is the hero of the civil war. If you may recall it subsequently, he ran for president on the democratic ticket was narrowly defeated. So he was quite an he was a national hero. And he was a tremendous tremendous competent general civil war. And I am particular struck by he's a Regis not only ignorance by his unwillingness to take the time to learn the first thing about the Indians when he came west and his his belief that he could bluster and intimidate his way through any situation. And he he he was surrounded by for the most part other officers who were as naive as him. But he he did have with him. An Indian agent who understood who had witnessed Santa creek, and and and try his own way to prevent it. Who is cautioning him saying, look general Hancock, the Indians don't wanna fight you. If they wanted to fight you their villages wouldn't be standing here. So close by the last thing, you wanna do is his fight. They wanna talk. Hancock. Really couldn't see that. And more importantly, he. Although he announced that his Republican Simpson that his purpose was go out into the southern plains and make peace. He was quite ready. Fully instructed his subordinates that look we we come in peace, but we come fully prepared to make war as well. And I think he was looking for any excuse to to to show off US military might there. He was he was he was he Roman nose essentially, whereas happened so much in the west they were talking past one another. There are a number of Indians who tell very flatly to the army what they believe and what they know. And when we come back, we'll meet two of them one is a Kiowa chief Santana called order order of the planes. Another one is a Cheyenne chief buffalo.

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