Gustavo, Alex Wigglesworth, Rosanna Shaw discussed on The Times: Daily news from the L.A. Times
In the wildfire chair is always as LA times reporter Alex wigglesworth. Hey, Alex, if it's raining, that means no infernos, which means you get to have a break until summer, right? Don't jinx me. Occupying the coastal chair is Rosanna Shaw. If it rains Rosanna, that means water level rises, so does that mean the coast is anti rain? Hey, Gustavo. I would say the coast is more anti Gustavo jokes. Ah, that's mean. Well, whatever coast I only like you and Laguna Beach anyway. Finally, our earthquake chairperson is Ron Lynn. Ron, can we just get rain to drown the monsters that live in fault lines? And then therefore, and earthquakes forever? Yes, yes, that's a big plan. You've got it. Awesome. I should win the Nobel Prize for that. Well, welcome all is always in. We'll start with Alex. And it sounds counterintuitive, but this year's fire season was poised to be pretty disastrous, given the drought levels, but then it rained, so yay? Right, those rainstorm said started last month where kind of a mixed bag for Northern California. On one hand, people were relieved because rain like that can really help with fires that are burning. And once you start to get these rains, that pretty much means the end of the fire season or at least the season of these really large intense fires. At the same time, these storms dropped so much rain up there, and they happened right after, even while some of these fires were still burning, there was no time in between for the landscape to recover. So authorities were also worried about flooding and debris flows. Also, in Southern California, fire season is not over yet. We didn't get that much rain from these storms. It's too soon to say whether this specific string of storms is linked to climate change, but scientists say these rapid shows from intense fire seasons to record breaking storms will continue to become more common as a planet warmth. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't when it comes to disasters in California like, okay, fires gone because The Rain, but because the fire just destroyed so much of the land, now it's all of a sudden, vulnerable to flooding and mudslides. Yeah, this risk is especially high if it rains soon after a fire, but it can last for up to 5 years until plants that were burned grow back. That's because a loss of vegetation exposes the soil to erosion and ash and other burn material can kind of clog the soil and prevent it from absorbing water. That can make The Rain run off the soil like its pavement. All that can turn into a debris flow, which is when the water carries the loose mud soil and rock down a slope. When that flow is sandier and more water saturated, it's called a mud flow, not a mud side because Rosetta will yell at me. Yeah, can I jump in? I'm sorry. I need to set the record straight for the gazillions time. I know people in California like to say mudslide and the quote unquote news media Gustavo is also very guilty of this. But there is no such thing as a mudslide. It's a mud flow or debris flow, or it's a landslide, which is a totally different phenomenon. Ron and Alex have heard me go off on this so many times. I'm mudslide is a melted chocolate dessert Gustavo, ask any signs. But mud slides doesn't it? You have mud when it rains, it turns into mud when it falls down like the hills, it slides, so mudslide, right? No, it's a B grade melted chocolate dessert okay, I'm just pulled up the U.S. geological surveys glossary. And here is their definition for mudslides. This is from the United States geological survey, and this is going to put you all to shame. Mudslide, it imprecise, but popular term coined in California, frequently used by Lehman and the news media to describe a wide scope of events ranging from debris laden floods to landslides, not technically correct, period. Please see mud flow previous glossy. Mud flow mud slides sounds like Texas Ron help me. You're your team mudslide, right? Well, I'm not going to get into it, but I can tell you if any California should know about two things. One is a debris flow, which is basically when a lot of water falls down a debris flow can happen within minutes and send torrents of mud and water, screaming down slopes. And you know, can be potentially deadly. The other thing that people wanna know about are something called deep seated. How you see? Look at this. Ron, Ron is from California, and he almost said mudslide. He gives me crap about this all the time. He is low key on team mudslides because he's like every single other California in this state. Good man. We were actually in the same meeting with some USGS person when we heard that like, oh, mudslides actually don't exist. And we both gasped and were like, we didn't both. And I said, that makes a 100% sense. And I will forever never use the word mud slide again. So deep seated glass. Again. Do you see the landslides are a thing people in Orange County? You'll remember this, the Bluebird canyon, a landslide that happened. I don't think it was even very rainy when it actually happened. But over the many months of water accumulation, a landslide can happen. And it can also be very deadly as well. So two things to keep in mind debris flow and deep seated landslides. Fine, Rosanna beets mudslides, landslides for.